LibertyBell

One storm really stands out to me (aside from the one in January that the Euro got wrong lol), and that was the bowling ball event that took a northerly track and produced a long conveyor belt of snow from the upper midwest straight into central new england. Ever seen anything like that before, Will?

bees do it far better. Their hive intelligence leads to cooperation and their collective intelligence enables them to do complex astronomical calculations and use the sun to determine the direction to fly. They even know meteorology and use the wind to tell their companions how long it will take to fly to the new hive.

https://sites.uni.edu/morgans/astro/course/nightfall.pdf Another one for you to read by Asimov. The mob burns down the entire civilization as they go mad when they see the stars once every thousand years. Isaac Asimov - "Nightfall" (1941) If the stars should appear one night in a thousand years, how would men believe and adore, and preserve for many generations the remembrance of the city of God?' EMERSON

That reminds me of a study that was done which showed that people are more receptive to helping others in need when they are by themselves, but in a crowd they stand by and watch bad things happen....

I think it might be too late for that. The oceans have already been absorbing a lot and it's destroying the marine ecosystem. In addition to that our oceans fuel our storms so warmer oceans mean many more extreme storms, which we're already seeing. And there's also the coral reef bleaching issues. We should just shut down the fossil fuel industry, period. Whatever hit we get because of it, it's nothing compared to the damage the fossil fuel industry is doing. It needs to be shut down completely.

My dad passed away 6 years ago so I can empathize Where are you looking to buy a house and why a 2 family one?

It's rather exciting in a way. I can't wait until we get a Cat 3 TC that turns into a blizzard in February haha. Could also happen in October.

This south based block is a new wrinkle....is this the first time we've ever had one of these? If not, possible analogs of years that had them? I've only ever heard of west based blocks and east based blocks, this is the first time anyone has ever brought up a south based block, so it sounds like something new.

I thought this kind of reminded me of the 80s actually. But of course much less cold lol.

are you sure? one out of those three had amongst our least snowy seasons of all time, and the other two were very mild with one hit wonders (granted those hits we did have were two of our best snowstorms ever.)

It looks like the pattern gets more unfavorable every year, and that's regardless of whatever ENSO phase we're in.

Uncle, got anything from the April 1983 snow that was our latest measurable?

my favorite pattern is a trough on the west coast and a trough on the east coast with a ridge in between- it looks like the Greek letter Omega

we rarely get those kinds of arctic outbreaks here anymore so I didn't think it likely either. Highs near freezing are a good possibility though. why people like extreme cold is beyond me

yup early dismissal here too, about an hour before regular release time from school

I remember back then you did some investigating and concluded that the LGA ASOS especially was out of whack. And that the 40:1 ratios of the other stations were more reasonable but still probably off and the true ratio was probably more like 25:1 Does that sound about right, Ray? It was like a storm the midwest might see- surprised we didn't get a blizzard warning here, but I guess the winds weren't high enough for long enough.

It sounds like small hail outside

well tonight is pretty interesting lol. we had weather like this about a week or two after the Jan 1996 blizzard.

Yeah I outlined that bust in my previous post. I was so angry about that bust that I nearly punched a hole through my bedroom door back then lol. I wonder if there's a way to find out if Feb 1989 and Dec 1989 storms would still be busts today with our modern models but using the data from back in the days leading up to those notorious busts? Feb 1989- suppressed more than modeled....8 inches predicted nothing delivered, hours of virga while ACY got 20 inches Dec 1989- secondary intensified too close to the coast......8 inches predicted nothing delivered after initially starting as snow, turned to rain with thunder Apr 1997- intensified too far north..... 16 inches predicted, 1-2 inches delivered, mostly rain Mar 2001- intensified too far north.....2-3 feet predicted, mostly rain, 4-6 inches delivered on the back end Jan 2008- our last heavy snow warning.....8 inches predicted, mostly rain with a coating of snow here on Long Island Jan 2015- intensified too far east...... 2-3 feet predicted, about a foot of snow actually fell (got reprieved exactly a year later.)

Indeed....I intensely hated that 89-90 winter more than any other winter because of that brutal dry and cold weather that lasted for a month. I think we also had a big bust in that month that was supposed to deliver 8 inches of snow and it ended up being rain lol. Rain and thunder! That was after the Feb 1989 bust which dropped 20 inches in ACY and nothing here, just hours of virga. And then my mom passed away in June 1990 so she never got to experience the big snow winters and she loved to walk outside during snowstorms! I wonder if there's any way to remodel those big busts with the same data from back then but run them on today's models to see if they'd be busts today too?

I think LGA had like 80:1 ratios while the rest of the area was around 40:1 ratios. I think that was the "sunrise snowstorm" I remember with the snow looking pink as it fell in front of the rising sun. And then in winter 2009-10 in February we had the "sunset snowstorm" where pink snow fell at sunset!

I remember Uncle mentioning this year. What's the least number of total snow events we've had in a season, Don? I think it might have been 1997-98 with 2.

time to start digging that lake to our NW

December 1989 and that happened after a big snowstorm in November.

and February started out horrible with the worst suppression of ALL TIME haha