LibertyBell

Alonzo isn't the polar bear, YOU are.

I would if we have a small number of 90 degree days. Based on those sites I quote from, you need 24 90 degree days to consider NYC to have had a hot summer.

I don't see a reason to argue, the statement is some people have seen winters that were much colder and consistently so. And it wasn't that long ago either. The entire 2002-03 to 2004-05 period was much colder than this. As were 2008-09, 2009-10, 2010-11, 2013-14, 2014-15. This winter is only cold compared to this decade not compared to previous decades.

100 degrees isn't a necessity if the heat wave is at least 7 days long, in that case longevity trumps extremes.

that puts it in the middle third of winters which is exactly where I would put it too. I used Don's since 2000-01 stat. 9th coldest out of 24 winters put it squarely in the middle third.

I like the 9th coldest the best, it puts it in the middle third of winters for cold. I have a few requirements for a truly cold winter. Below zero is nice but at the very least there need to be at least 5 days in the single digits. This season had zilch, nada, nil, zippo.

Oh I just meant any snowstorms at all in April, do you have a full list of all April events, Larry? Snowfall is very rare after April 10th, so there can't be many more to add. It's interesting about the 1996-2006 period, we also had some very cold winters in that list-- 1995-96 and 2002-03 were both very cold and snowy from beginning to end here.

Didn't we have a record temperature rise a few years ago in January when we went from 8 degrees to 58 degrees. Chris??

well 6.1 is okay lol what was total seasonal snowfall for JFK in 1986-87 if you can find it Tony?

Tony, we didn't get anything from this? 1802 - A great snowstorm raged along the New England coast producing 48 inches of snow north of Boston. Three large ships from Salem were wrecked along Cape Cod. (David Ludlum)

wow and Philly had 5 inches of snow in just one hour! 1987 - A winter storm buried the Middle Atlantic Coast Region under heavy snow. Totals ranged up to 24 inches at Lancaster PA, with 23 inches at Coatesville PA. During the height of the storm Philadelphia PA received five inches of snow in just one hour. The Washington D.C. area was blanketed with up to 15 inches of snow. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

wow -2 in February 2016 is exceptional, none of the city reporting stations were below 0 besides Central Park. Wait, was it in January 2016 or February 2016 when NYC went down to -1?

It's absolutely amazing that Montauk surrounded by water on 3 sides made it to 0 and none of the city stations did-- how often does Montauk make it to zero or below, Chris? From what I remember it's very rare for Montauk to get to either 0 or 100.

It's interesting that we had some historically cold months in the 00s (January 2004) and the 10s (February 2015) and yet we never got to below zero in those months like it was seemingly so easy to do in the mid 70s through the mid 80s. And it took a very strong el nino to do it in February 2016-- the one enso state that could not do it in the early 80s lol. Nature has a sense of humor!

January 1976 too?? Wow that wasn't even a cold winter.

Team Dominator ??

a second peak in fall too. I think they're more likely in la ninas.

Long Island had 8 tornadoes in one day, in November lol.

wow we had two out of three years of near 0 or below 0 temperatures..... will that ever happen again? January 1982, January 1984 and January 1985 NYC and JFK went below zero in two out of those three? (January 1982 and January 1985)? Actually when you think about it, it was three out of four winter seasons when we went below zero because it also happened on Christmas morning in 1980! So we were at or below zero in 1980-81, 1981-82, 1983-84 and 1984-85. The only winter in that stretch it didn't happen was in 1982-83 and that's because it was a very strong el nino (and the snowiest one in that stretch)..... ironic because the last time we went below zero, 2015-16 was also a very strong el nino.

They even admitted that overgrowth not being cleared after their last bout with excessive rainfall was a problem. Big picture here, if we don't fix the problem, nature will. The whole purpose of wildfires is to clear excessive growth. So either we do it, or nature will.

Overgrowth is a problem that experts all over the country admit to though, even the ones in California. They even publicly cited the boom in rainfall from a few years ago as a reason for massive overgrowth and the excessive wildfires back in January. They said because of the extremes of the pattern we are now in (excessive rainfall followed by extreme drought) big wildfires are now much more likely and are a year long threat not confined to one season. They also said that when California swings back to an excessive rainfall pattern there will be a threat of mudslides and landslides because of the burn scars.

wow thanks this is excellent data, I've been looking to compile a list of April snowstorms myself and I think you captured all of them, the only one I can think of that isn't in this list was a small event that occurred in April 1990, was that under 1 inch? edit-- Larry I think you missed April 1983 at JFK, it was JFK'S latest accumulating snowfall on record, they had 1.5" also looks like April snowstorms were much more common in the past.... during the 1910s we had them 3 consecutive years!

Funny how in dry years like 2002 we didn't have fires and now for some reason we do. Like I have said before, we have had overgrowth because of many years of too much rain, that growth needs to be cut off and removed.

I thought you were the one who said that years ago.... it was you or Will, I can't remember who.

But in late February 2008 we had a rare SWFE that worked out for us 6" of snow. Nothing like that this winter.