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I can't believe they waste their time with phone calls, Walt. I'd say, realistically, that weather beyond 5-7 days is completely unpredictable and I don't even know why we run models past that. I would concentrate funds and energy on making short range and medium range forecasting as accurate as possible and not run any model beyond 7 days at all.

Chris, how many times have both January and February averaged 40 or above? I think 1989-90 was close and 2001-02 actually did it.

It's interesting how it's the same Pacific air that causes feet of snow out west though lol. You really need to be in the mountains to get decent snow anymore.

2001-02 had those -NAO episodes too and yet we didn't get much if any snow then either.

I'm pretty sure we had half an inch in December, LGA is the only one that recorded that, but we had the same on the south shore in Nassau County too. in 1997-98 the airports all recorded a bit more than the Park did before the equinox event

in a way up to now it actually seems like a neutral after la nina which is the most snowless pattern, if we now go to an actual la nina February pattern, then it could be that these annoying rainstorms go away and we just go mild and dry. still thinking that 1989-90 and 2001-02 and 2011-12 are good analogs.

Who decided to begin baseball in March? That's idiotic. I would much rather the post season end in November-- November is warmer than March is.

1989-90 says yes

I think so too, and it probably means instead of mild and wet like we are seeing now with the jet, it'll be mild and dry a la February 2018. It remains to be seen what March brings (whether there is an SSW or not-- but no one should think there will be a March 2018 repeat) but that may be the only decent chance at snow here. Of course there can be a random small or moderate event even in a mild pattern, but no one should count on that.

I think that Pac jet retracting is all anyone cares about.

Now this looks like more of a chance at getting snow than the storm for next weekend, Don?

who had 40" in 1965-66....was it ACY? or DCA? I remember someone to our south did, I just don't remember the city lol.

The best winters in that weather almanac book that I read about were in the 1840s and 1860s when there were a couple of winters that had constant snowcover from PHL to NYC from Thanksgiving to St Paddy's Day. Those were the 100" snowfall winters. A couple in the 1700s were like that too, in the 1750s and 1780s as well as one or two in the early 1800s (I think 1804 was one of those.)

Awesome if you're like me your first weather memories are from 1994 and 1996

Interesting that 1965-66 is on this list, as that was a historic winter in the midatlantic.... 40" of snow in Norfolk? a good el nino too. Followed by a classic switch from el nino to neutral/la nina that gave us one of our hottest driest summers ever and one of our greatest winters, 1966-67 was very memorable.

1999 was one of the greatest summers, July 1999 was a true treasure of the 11 year cycle with temperatures over 100 back to back and 20 90 degree days in that month alone. The big problem we had that year was west nile virus lol.

2001-02 is the peak low WSI winter isn't it? Even lower WSI than 1972-73? When taking into account temperates and low snow?

That book I read at NYPL did not have snowfall totals but did have average temperature records going back to the early 1700s..... we always had at least one month back then that averaged in the 20s.

What we need to do is very clear....find some way to destroy the Pacific Ocean =\

Wow Rochester is even more amazing, although the deficits look about the same. Do they ever think about transporting some of that Buffalo snow farther east? Although it's probably all melted by now.

Pennsylvania Weather Book and I remember seeing some really old records in a weather almanac all the way back to the 1700s for NYC (I don't remember the exact location) when I was at the New York Public Library. Back then both January and February had mean temperatures in the 20s and February was consistently colder than January. Both NYC and PHL peaked with 100" snowfall seasons a few times and the all time record low was -16 at NYC in January pre Revolutionary War when canons were being dragged across the Hudson and shops were set up right on the river in the winter.

papyrus is tough to write on

it's more like neutral which is actually worse than a la nina

when we get to the warm(er) season there will probably be much less rain. I'm thinking we get a 2002 type spring and summer-- which will be nice.

If this is what it takes to end the drought out west, we need to bite the bullet. Sacrificing the snow is really insignificant compared to that.