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There's also cancer alley in Louisiana which has an 85x higher risk of cancer because the fossil fuel cartels put their factories near minority housing. Fortunately they fought back and stopped it, a well known activist there went right to Washington and got the construction of yet another factory stopped.

For some-- not for urbanized areas though. West Oakland is still awful with all the diesel trucks (which need to be banned completely), they use AQI meters there to measure the (poor) air quality there. The life expectancy there is 9 years lower because of air pollution. Fossil fuel companies rather stealthily build their factories near urbanized areas where minorities live because they know they are less likely to complain. California did the right thing by banning drilling completely near urbanized areas. Air pollution and growing up near heavy traffic areas has rather strongly been connected to asthma and also to autism.

I've been talking about 89-90 for weeks lol, we just missed the November snowstorm lol But if you research 89-90 there was actually a Suffolk County snowfall in February....much less than February 2013 of course, but it was there. So both 1989-90 and 2012-13 had November and February snow and not much else.

the health impact and air pollution should be front and center-- air pollution lowers life expectancy by 2 years on average across the planet and up to 10 years in urbanized areas.

No it wouldn't-- they'd just point to Buffalo or some other place that had snow. They are just like that....

They are? I'm not sure how accurate these models are now but it could be the climate has shifted enough to create a semipermanent la nina-- I guess we'll find out soon enough.

It's going to get mild again after the 17th but maybe we can get a few inches out of that 13-15 event.

Seeing some connections between this and 2001-02. There was a big Carolina snowstorm later in January that year.

Don more of a risk of a cutter or out to sea? I could see a storm that tracks offshore that gives us a few inches (those seem to be rare but do happen from time to time.)

Someone said JFK had a high of 28, so I guess my part of SW Nassau also stayed below freezing-- I see that happen a lot, it was also the case in Jan 1994 and the VD 2007 storm....JFK to Oceanside stayed below freezing and when you got further east to Freeport it was above freezing lol. Same kind of pattern in the March 1993 snowstorm-- JFK had 11" (actually more than NYC), Oceanside had 10" and then it dropped off to Massapequa where only 6" fell.

That's in celsius correct? Lee Goldberg was talking about the Pacific overwhelming the pattern after the 17th-- so whatever snow we get it had better happen between the 13th-15th.

omg I wonder if that was actually our biggest ice event-- bigger than Jan 1994? The wild looking scenery makes everything surreal.

wow and 2007 heat peaked much higher

I remember both 2007 and 2018 really well. And in 1996 we had a blizzard on the same day didn't we? Amazing that all the official stations got to 70+ 11 years after that blizzard....and another 11 years after that we were all hitting record lows too. 11 year cycle again lol? 1996....2007....2018

Thanks Ed! I love how detailed your accounts are!

wow I've never heard of this event....was it rain in the city and south shore in Nassau county?

Jan 15-20 is the most favored time for snowfall climatologically too.

The AO is still sharply negative but it's so mild is that because there is no cold air on our side of the globe, Don?

That was amazing-- I remember it well! I think there was a coating even down to Brooklyn and Long Island? The anniversary of the May 9, 1977 storm! And that trace happened during the day too!

it's like one of those dumb baseball games where every hitter strikes out and you are rooting for the meathead to accidentally hit one out.

haha I love how you said night That would be the ultimate insult to have it happen at night and not see it fall lol.

But if you read it and the accuweather linked thread, they say "rain or snow, wet snow or mixed precip" lol and that over the long term extremes usually balance out. So in the end they're really not saying anything much, just surrounding the hype with a bunch of qualifiers lol.

https://www.accuweather.com/en/winter-weather/big-weather-changes-are-on-the-way-for-the-midwest-northeast/1434437 Interesting list at the end of this page-- I didn't know 2020 had the most days (by far) between measurable snow.... 332 days, ranks it higher than 1973, 2002, 2000 or 1998! 7 of the top 10 are 1998 or later.

Lock it in, put it in Fort Knox and swallow the keys lol. Don't want this thing to change.

It depends. 1989-90 and 1994-95 are both considered pretty bad winters.