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aint no way DC is going to get anywhere near normal, I'd bet both houses they don't even get to 10 inches, just not possible
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long live PD2, one of my best snowstorms ever
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Wasn't March 1967 a month when both coasts had a big trough? The whole hemisphere was much colder back then though
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From the maps it looks like the southward extent of snow would be from Albany to Boston.
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You must have tuned this winter out, there is no such thing as a good overnight run lol. Santa lol? Someone needs to let you know it's all a myth Also, there are a hell of a lot of other interesting things about the weather to talk about other than snow....but then again I'd expect someone to grow out of the Santa myth before realizing that. Also, that multiquote thing is beyond annoying especially since those posts were over a 2 hour period, not one right after each other
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Might be easier to just compare it to 2017-18 since 1955-56 was used as an analog for that season.
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You mean because of the SSW? I thought we already had the 1956 analog in 2018 So are you basically saying with a deeper arctic cold pool we would have had a March more like 2018 also?
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That was the first I heard the term "virga" being used. First bad bust I remember, next was the rainy bust of December 1989, then April 1997, then March 2001, then January 2008 and then February 2010 (first storm). I don't know if that can actually be considered a bust, but it was super disappointing how close we were from 20 inch snowfall totals and ended up with an inch and a half lol. In a lot of ways the two big busts of 1989 will always be tops in my mind because I expected a snow day out of one and a weekend of sledding out of the other and got neither.
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These will likely cycle back and forth but this marine heatwave issue may be the fly in the ointment in just how far north they can or will get when they do. Heatwaves always end at some point, but note how oceans always respond much more slowly than the air does, so those marine heatwaves likely last much longer too.
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That makes sense because north of the NAO block it's like a furnace lol. If you look at classic NAO blocks they screw northern new england and Maine is almost always blowtorching. If that block moves south, guess what else moves south lol..... That Maine blowtorch becomes OUR blowtorch! Actually you want the arctic to be mild because that is north of the block and the cold air that is supposed to be up there comes down here instead.
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This winter is literally a flat line ________________________ Fill in the blank line lol ______________________
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That would also explain the northward migrating SE Ridge and the most extreme heat going into New England and SE Canada during the summer too wouldn't it Don?
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I've not heard of north based blocks unless that's just a conventional block. We've known about east and west based blocks for a long time, south based blocks became a thing just a few years ago. I suppose north based blocks must also exist, but maybe they are just the "normal" kind of block? We've had -PNA with +NAO so the cause and effect scenario must only work under particular circumstances. Maybe there is something else that is the cause for both of them. Don's idea of marine heatwaves might be it!
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Was that the winter with all that record cold and snow in Texas?
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There are other ways to show what's been going on-- look at the impact on the lobster industry. The famous Maine lobster industry actually started out near Long Island. As the waters have gotten warmer those lobsters migrated north. Eventually that became the Maine lobster industry. Now as the waters have continued to warm, the Maine lobster industry is dying because those lobsters are now in the Maritime Provinces of Canada. It's all cause and effect really.
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Need to keep track of this and how the sensible weather results change decade by decade under similar blocking scenarios.
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If you look at Atlantic SST they were much much colder in the 80s than they are now. That has to factor in a major way. The only thing we can be sure about is old analogs will no longer work.
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That might have to do with the west to east situation that Snowman mentioned. west (cause) -----> east (effect)
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I think the weather actually moves southwest to northeast, so we get input from the southeast ridge and that is what screws us. In the case of when there is fast Pacific flow and it does move due west to due east we are screwed because of our low (no) elevation. You really want to have both latitude and altitude in these kinds of patterns.
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But how come cold weather doesn't move west to east You know what I mean lol, it's frustrating to see it so cold in the west and that doesn't move west to east but the rain does lol
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It's definitely abnormal and is happening for the same reason the SE Ridge has been migrating north and sending the warmest weather into New England in the summer. You really didn't hear about these south based blocks before a few years ago.
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Thought it was in the La Nina winter of 88-89 in February 1989 there was a Norfolk to Atlantic City snowstorm, it was 19" in ACY and was supposed to be 6-8 inches up here but we just got virga. Another 6-8 inch bust the following December with rain and thunderstorms instead of snow lol. We busted from two different directions in the same calendar year in two different winters!
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wow to see 71 on this date in 2011! also: 1989 - Low pressure off the coast of North Carolina brought freezing rain and heavy snow to Virginia and the Carolinas. Snowfall totals in Virginia ranged up to 18 inches at Franklin. Freezing rain reached a thickness of two inches around Charlotte NC. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) This wasn't the February 1989 storm that dropped almost 20" in Atlantic City was it? Our big virga storm lol
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It's the 1950s scenario. March was the snowy month for that entire decade.
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I mean I don't really hate what they had this year, they really have been in a major drought there for years. It's good not to get wild fires. They need that a lot more than we do, it's tough being in a situation where one part of the country has to be in megadrought conditions for the other part of the country to get a good winter.