LibertyBell

we had a few heavy downpours, what I would expect this time of year.

I think we have too much sand under our soil. I always water every few days. But we've had some hard downpours today, it's what I would expect this time of year. All day rain is extremely rare and might result in flooding so this is better.

Which storm was this Don? October 1804? Would the skies really be that dark? WOW!

Everything seems to be right on schedule, we're normally completely leafed out by May 1st.

Exactly and on top of that we see the results today with the decisions being made, income disparity has increased 500X between the 80s and now, we now have a diabetes epidemic, rising rates of cancer among younger people, rising rates of gun violence, etc.

I do like the distinction between corrupt crony capitalism and with a system that works properly (that is, a mixed economy.)

There's less possibilities of corruption with proper regulations in place and also corporations should never be allowed to have the rights of people (that includes no first amendment rights for corporations aka the horrible citizens united decision.) So in that sense both extreme capitalism and extreme socialism are bad, the proper and most sustainable system is a mixed economy which contains the best parts of both.

overnight rain is absolutely awesome, a 12 hour rainfall and the sun comes out in the morning.

So is JFK's, putting them near the water makes conditions vastly different just a few miles away throughout the year.

this is miraculous By the evening, the storm had fully traversed the northeastern United States, where accounts indicated the passage of the storm's eye.[8] The results of the 2001 study also suggested atypical strengthening occurred around this time,[12] achieving its peak intensity with 1-minute maximum sustained winds of 110 mph (175 km/h) over Massachusetts, equivalent to a Category 2 hurricane on the Saffir–Simpson hurricane wind scale.[13] The storm's maximum diameter was estimated to be 90 mi (150 km) at its largest point.[14] As the hurricane weakened throughout the night, it underwent an extratropical transition, evidenced by a passageway of weak winds off of the trough's center. Its eye was consequently distorted as it meandered northward towards Canada, where it subsequently encountered an area of high pressure;[8] though gusts diminished that evening, moderate precipitation persisted for another two days, before the snowstorm finally departed on October 11.[15]

How did you do on November 7, 2012, the post Sandy snowstorm?

JFK had 1.5 inches and I had about an inch. I remember thinking, this might be the only time in my life I get to see accumulating snowfall here in October, I'll enjoy it even if it's just an inch. Forky was going crazy that day lol.

Yes! It also happened in the post Sandy storm (November 7, 2012), I was laughing because we had a big snowfall 8 inches while LGA got white rain. Freehold NJ got 14 inches That was our earliest decent snowstorm.

coupled with the oceans too, one huge fluidic system.

I would pay to see this storm again over any other including 1635 and 1938 Besides the snowfall in CT it also snowed in the Catskills. rain totals reached 2.27 in (5.8 cm) in New York City.[10] Meanwhile, to the west in the Catskill Mountains, up to 18 in (46 cm) of snow accumulated

Connecticut had a lot of snow. Looks like that's the closest accumulating snow got to us.

Where snow fell it was mainly heavy, with reports of snowfall totaling 24 to 30 in (61 to 76 cm) in the Berkshires and up to 18 in (46 cm) near Stockbridge; however, no accumulation was measured in Boston and Worcester due to higher-than-optimal temperatures.[8][29] In Abington, the hurricane not only impacted the shipping industry but also inflicted severe damage to oak and pine forests.[21] Severe damage was inflicted to crops as a result of the storm, with potatoes freezing, apples tossed from branches,[30] and stacks of hay ruined.[5] Livestock also encountered noteworthy losses, with "large numbers" of cattle, sheep, and fowl having died near Walpole, Newbury, and Topsfield – over a hundred cattle died at Topsfield alone.[30] While reports of snowfall were generally sporadic in Massachusetts, snowfall was copious in Connecticut. More than 3 in (7.6 cm) of snow accumulated at Litchfield, while over 12 in (30 cm) was recorded at Goshen. Moderate snowfall also accrued at Woodbridge,[29] and other regions of the state received up to 24 in (61 cm).[22] However, the delineation between areas of rain and snow was clearly evident, with more than 3.66 in (9.3 cm) of rain measured in nearby New Haven.[29] Devastation was also widespread in Rhode Island, with numerous houses damaged at Newport and Providence. In Newport, many ships were damaged,[31] and several deaths were recorded.[27] Trees of immense size were also uprooted in both towns, and fence boards were scattered by strong gusts. In Providence, many ships were grounded, a brick house was impaired, and various other structures' chimneys collapsed. The hurricane was described as the "severest storm and gale of wind within the recollection of any of its inhabitants," although little else was known about its impacts in Rhode Island.[5] Despite the high wind speeds and proximity to other snow-receiving areas, none fell in Providence as a result of warmer temperatures.[29]

wow this is really weird WELP WE CANT BLAME CLIMATE CHANGE ON THE STRANGENESS OF THIS STORM LOL Though the disturbance developed within the confines of the Atlantic hurricane season,[7] its widespread early-season snowfall was unprecedented, with few comparable storms since, among them being the 2011 Halloween nor'easter, producing several feet of snowfall in many areas.[18] Similar circumstances occurred in 2012 with the arrival of Hurricane Sandy, which had a comparable track to the 1804 snowstorm,[19] though it was extratropical by the time it made landfall.[20] The storm was also the first known instance of snow instigated by a tropical cyclone until a later storm in 1841.[16] Since that time, there has been only one other confirmed snowfall event as a result of a tropical cyclone while still considered to be tropical, which was caused by Hurricane Ginny in 1963, generating accumulations of 13 in (33 cm) in Maine.[17] The storm also displayed abnormal meteorological characteristics which went against conventional understanding. Winds prevailed toward the southwest, the only known example of a northeastern hurricane producing winds in that direction; most generally yielded southeasterly gusts.[9] In addition, it was one of only two systems recorded strengthening while inland, the other being the 1869 Saxby Gale.[12]

hmm I read that temps were in the 30s with snow in Boston and snow and sleet in NYC? Is this the same Cat 2 1804 hurricane that went up through Connecticut near New Haven?

Don, was there a snow storm in the 1980s (somewhere around 1987), October 10th if I remember correctly that caused a lot of tree damage in the Hudson Valley? Did NYC get a trace out of that Don? That might be our earliest Trace of snow if so?

He wanted to let the sun warm us up lol. rainy chilly days OMG

yep and it can't really snow that time of year anyway warm and sunny and dry is the ideal Fall weather for me. When I was a teenager and younger during the 80s I used to shiver in early October because my parents refused to turn on the heat before October 15th, I really hated that lol. Before that when we lived in an apartment the landlord would not turn on the heat before November 1st-- even worse lol. Last fall was absolutely awesome and I didn't even think of turning on the heat until November 15th. I hate temperatures colder than the 70s without any heat.

light pollution causes major health issues too (including 30% higher rates of cancer).

Thanks, any earlier hints in the historical data from the first half of the 1800s or even earlier Don?

what did you think of October-first half of November temps in the 70s and sunny are nice, save on heating lol