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I'd like to see what kind of pattern we had in late August 1948 and late August and early September 1953 with the kind of late season heat that hasn't been matched since. Speaking of hot August weather that was some real multi-day triple digit heat! If those patterns happened now what would the temperatures be? As far as el nino heat is concerned how does this summer compare to 1991, 1994 and 2002, those are my benchmark summers for el nino heat. There is some speculation that the type of heat we had between 1944 and 1955 and 1966 which really has not been matched since had to do with nuke testing, specifically hydrogen bomb testing.
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Let's be honest though 90 percent of the population loves hot summers. People wait for 9 months for hot summers so they can go to the beach. The last thing they want is spring or fall weather in the summer. They drive the economy too. And out of the 10 percent who like cool and rainy summers 90 percent are on here lol.
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Chris numbers can be made to show anything, the point is this summer doesn't hold a candle to any of the ones I mentioned, not even last summer, let alone 2010, 2005, 2002, 1999, 1995, 1993, 1991, 1988, 1983, 1980 and those are 10 just off the top of my head that were much hotter. Yes we had an extremely hot 4 day period so this summer was like a much lesser version of 1966. 1966 also had a three day 100 plus streak at JFK but each of those days was hotter not to mention heat waves were much longer back then. Our summer ended after July 15th.
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1948 WOW now THAT was a real summer and if I'm not mistaken JFKs latest 100 degree day and back to back 100 degree days and NYC had three in a row in late August no less!!!
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2026-2027 Record-breaking El Nino
LibertyBell replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
I think any reset will be short lived. Nothing will stop a la nina from happening the following winter and we'll be back to a hot and dry pattern Lakepaste, the problem with hot and wet is it makes nasty disease carrying bugs overpopulate and then I have to spend the entire summer spraying even nastier chemicals both outside and inside. -
Good riddance? This is your kind of summer, cool and wet. Personally I can't stand it (thats what fall is for) but I'm looking forward to next summer which I'm pretty sure will be very hot and dry, just as sure as I am that the upcoming winter will be mild and rainy. Tripol you must be really young if you think this was one of the hottest summers on record lol. You dont remember last summer, let alone 2010 or 2005 or 2002 or 1999 or 1995 or 1993 or 1991 or 1988 or 1983 or 1980? Those are just the ones I remember there were a lot more before my time too. And if you think this is hot just wait until you experience next summer lol.
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Some of those 80s and 90s summers really were endless summers which we dont get anymore nor do we get heat covering the entire country cosst to coast like we did in 1980 and 1988. We always talk about how we dont get coast to coast cold like we did in 1979 but to be fair we dont get coast to coast heat anymore either. Its always heat in one part of the country but not the other now. Also EWR and LGA are most heavily affected by UHI, population density and increased volume of traffic and the resultant pollution from car exhaust. 1980 had the hottest July August combo on record 60 day average over 80 degrees how did both LGA and JFK have far fewer 90 degree days than NYC and EWR? Also it was around this time in the endless summer of 1983 JFK had their latest 100 degree temperature and the last time it happened there in August. One time in July and one time in August there in 1983.
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Chris any idea what the annual snowfall average should be around here? I get varying numbers from 50 inches per year to 70 inches per year. It must be strongly dependent on elevation. I'm actually served by the Jim Thorpe post office (the town is considered the Switzerland of the United States with its own clock tower and mountains in the background it reminds me of the quaint old town from Back to the Future lol.) But I'm regularly 7-10 degrees cooler than Jim Thorpe proper because my elevation is around 1600 feet here. Bear Creek Lake which is just to my east has an elevation of 1544 feet. When Lehighton hit 101 in early July we only made it to 93-94 on two days. The nearest airport to here is K12N 9.6 miles from here in Lehighton. Do you have any other nearby snowfall measuring locations besides Lake Harmony? Albrightsville is also near by as is Summit Hill. Need to match elevations to get a proper snowfall estimate. What is the least amount of snow that Mount Pocono has ever had in a season and the most? For monthly records I think they received around 4 feet of snow in January 1987. February 1988 and Mrach 1993. I remember coming here right after the 1993 Superstorm and the first floor of this house was buried in snow! The only time anything like that ever came close to happening on Long Island was in the winter of 2010-11.
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2026-2027 Record-breaking El Nino
LibertyBell replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
I used to think so too I'm just a little north of you in the Poconos in actuality we need both el ninos and la ninas we just don't want either to get too strong. Our best summers and winters come in the transition years from el nino to la nina think 1995-96 and 2010-11. So the transition period between el nino and la nina might be the most exciting time both for summer and winter weather. -
Occasional Thoughts on Climate Change
LibertyBell replied to donsutherland1's topic in Climate Change
I love reading your posts they are always very informative John! Are you aware of Sir Roger Penrose's Conformal Cyclical Cosmology? He uses geometry to explain how the expansion of the universe could be one in many cycles of expansion and contraction and how what seems like increasing entropy will one day maybe a trillion years from now lead to a return to a very low entropy state like at the so called Big Bang which was really a Big Bounce. It doesn't violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics as long as the universe is at least slightly larger with each reiteration of the cycle. Think of a ball rolling up and down successive hills with potential energy being converted to kinetic energy as it rolls downhill and being converted back to potential energy as it rolls up the next hill. This is how a cyclic universe would be possible with the ball rolling downhill representing expansion and the ball rolling uphill representing contraction. Reason being that going uphill goes against gravity and going downhill happens because of gravity. Each cell living, breathing and dying really is like its own universe but also cyclic in a way because nothing is ever truly destroyed (the Law of Conservation of Mass-Energy) it just changes form and becomes part of the next whole. The idea of the primary colors representing the universe are intriguing. You could have space represented by the additive primaries of RGB red green blue and the arrow of time represented by black in our universe and an anniversary with its anti-space represented by the subtractive primaries of CMY cyan magenta yellow and an equal but opposite arrow of time represented by white, so as our universe expands its anniversary contracts and vice versa. By the way are you familiar with the search for superhabitable planets John? The idea being that our planet is not ideal for life for various reasons. Based on the research paper I've read the ideal planet would have a Hawaii type climate planet wide. The idea being this is ideal for greatest biodiversity. It would have an orange type K star as its sun since such a star spends 2 to 3 times more time on the stable main sequence that our yellow type G sun will, is about 1.5 times more massive than our planet so it can retain a denser atmosphere, gets about twice as much rain as we do and has an average temperature 5 to 8 degrees Celsius higher. It mostly describes our climate during the Mesozoic before the big asteroid hit! Only one planet has been found that seems to fit all the criteria and it's about 1100 light years away. -
Yuck lol can't grow any of that here the rabbits and deer would eat everything. On the plus side though the big rabbits that I have here eat all the weeds and are quite tame and look at me quite calmly while I snap pictures of them near one of my ponds. August is a lost month around here and no longer part of summer I'd say. It's not quite fall either though I'd say our summers have become limited to June and July while August and September can be considered part of a new fifth season we could call the monsoon season like what they have in India and the SW. There's a nearly total lunar eclipse that peaks at 93% at 12:12 am on Friday but as usual it will be too cloudy to see anything. Two clear days out of seven is not my idea of summer. Normal summer weather in our area should at a bare minimum include 6 clear days out of 7 and I'd strive for 9 clear days out of 10 with one inch of rain every 10 days.
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2026-2027 Record-breaking El Nino
LibertyBell replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
I dislike el ninos too our most interesting weather happens during la Nina's so if there was a way to modify the climate the first thing I would look at are a network of underwater devices that would prevent super el ninos from happening. I also agree with you that la nina is the natural state and a big one is coming in the next 1 to 2 years and very likely a very hot and dry summer like 1966, 1983, 1999 and 2010 had. I look forward to it. -
I think a near record low snowfall season is just about baked in for next winter. I've mentioned this several times but some of our best snowfall winters are preceded by very hot and dry summers. Think 1966, 1993, 1995, 2002, 2010 and even last summer 2025. I'm thinking for NYC snowfall of less than 10 inches and an average temperature for the winter over 40 degrees. Those who like rainy summers should also like snowless winters because they go together. As far any hope is concerned the only hope is that the winter after next will be great a la 1995-96 (just on a lesser level) after 1994-95 after 1993-94 (which had similarities to last winter just on a lesser level.) The chances of a very hot and very dry summer in 2027 are very high and if that happens a snowy winter should follow in 2027-28.
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Omg this is definitely not normal for summer the ground is supposed to be dry in the summer lol that's why people can go to the beach and our baseball stadiums don't need to be covered with domes. Granted summer is over and my heat was on all day today.
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No one wanted this mess looks like my old haunts had a tornado I'm sure the power was out there for a few hours it always happens in weather like this. It rained here for 6 hours between 12:30 and 6:30 with temperatures in the low 60s my heat turned on. I didn't lose power but my TV signal went out from 2:30 to 6:30 when the sun came back out the TV signal came back. It always goes out in heavy rain. Got 1.5 inches in 6 hours so no flooding but lots of water ponded in the grass.
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Occasional Thoughts on Climate Change
LibertyBell replied to donsutherland1's topic in Climate Change
This is exactly why I stated we are approaching entropy. In that sense ACC is entirely normal because the entire universe is headed towards entropy. Also see my post in the El Nino thread about there being no ice on this planet for 85 percent of its history. -
2026-2027 Record-breaking El Nino
LibertyBell replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
I dont know how many of you are aware of this but for 85% of this planet's history there was no ice anywhere on the planet. That being said yes the planet self regulates and as an example the Amazon even controls its own rainfall. The planet will be fine even either way the question is will humanity? Human beings are not the only creatures to alter the planet and ACC is nowhere close to the worst thing that's ever happened to this planet. Blue green algae aka phytobacteria altered the entire composition of the atmosphere and without them we wouldn't be here. The K-T event that ended the dinosaurs and 75% of all life on the planet was far worse than ACC is and happened in a much shorter time frame and the planet recovered just fine. As a matter of fact ACC can be thought of as the revenge of the dinosaurs as it may cause the climate to return to what it was like before the K-T event by literally burning their remains! -
I dont know how familiar you are with our climate but summers are supposed to be dry and moderate summer droughts are entirely normal. Alarmism based on color coded maps is unnecessary and unwarranted. Flooding is FAR worse than a moderate drought. Droughts normally end in the Fall anyway no need to spoil the summer even more.
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2026-2027 Record-breaking El Nino
LibertyBell replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
As long as it's in the winter. I like my summers hot and dry to keep the mosquitoes away and to get a good view of the Perseids. This is the 40th anniversary of the first time I saw them, 4 nights in August 1986 and that was a whole week of nice clear early Fall kind of weather no haze and temperatures in the low 50s. No mosquitoes either!. -
I distinctly remember August 1986 as a very cool and dry month like early fall. I dont mind a cool summer as long as it's dry. Was that a developing El Nino too? That was my first year of viewing the Perseids and the best weather for them four nights of completely clear skies, cool, no haze and no mosquitoes! Never saw anything like that since. This house in the Poconos was built in 1986 and I was here in July for the 4th but for the Perseids in August I was back on Long Island.
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This is yet another reason I love hot and dry weather far fewer mosquitoes.
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2026-2027 Record-breaking El Nino
LibertyBell replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
I thought so too but there were some amazing and widespread heat waves back then that haven't been matched since. Early July 1911 is a case in point. Mount Pocono was 98, 99 and 103 for three straight days and has never been higher than 95 since then. I thought this had to be an instrument error but then I saw Boston all time high of 104 is from the same period and even the mountains of northern New England were over 100 degrees. That was some mega heat dome and for reference a 103 degree reading at Mount Pocono is a sea level adjusted temperature of 114 degrees! -
2026-2027 Record-breaking El Nino
LibertyBell replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
How could there possibly have been a 4 year el nino in the late 1700s? That has to be fiction. What we did have back then was a gigantic volcanic eruption in Iceland called Toba and that altered our climate in a big way for years to come. -
This list is interesting to me because the top 2 came after great winters and the previous summers were super hot especially 1966. Number 3 also had an epic end to the snow season and the previous summer was also extremely hot. It's also interesting that 1977 is on this list when it had one of the hottest two week stretches this region has ever seen. Ditto 1953. I wonder how this list looks for Mount Pocono, I know how cold it was here in the summer of 1992 I had my fireplace going most of the summer. Chris do you have a list of that and also the summers with the most highs below 70 degrees at both JFK and MPO? It was only in the mid 60s here yesterday and I remembered how much I hate it when the high temperature is below 70 and it's cloudy all day. It's bad enough that we have to deal with that in Spring and Fall, Summer is not supposed to be that way, Summer should be sunny, dry and hot with maybe one or two hours of rain per week that doesn't interfere with the sunshine or the heat. It's fine if it's cool and sunny because I have a ton of skylights that bring in the solar warmth but my house gets cold quickly if I dont have the heat or a fireplace on and there's no sunshine. On the flip side because of the size of the house and how much of it is tiled and the outside is insulated with both fiberglass and stone it does not heat up quickly in the summer even if it's hot outside. Even without turning my window AC on the house is 10-15 degrees cooler than the outside temperature in the heat. That's a good thing because only two rooms in this house are supportive of window AC a bedroom upstairs and the living room downstairs. In terms of heat when JFK was hitting 100-102 in early July it only got to 93-94 here and that 4 day stretch was the only time it was 90 or above here. It's never been higher than 94 here in all the years this house has been in our family, it also hit 94 in July 2011. I think there was a 95 back in 1954 and the only time it's been hotter than that was the torrid 3 day stretch of 98, 99 and 103 in early July 1911.
