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I told Alek last month it wouldn’t be long until you’re in the 60s and he’s in the 30s along the shore and here we are. lol

Isn’t this winter the type of winter everyone was wondering why we didn’t get anymore? The clipper winter.

I’m not sure the preceding two winters being cold really have anything to do with it, does it? It could just be that an El Niño is typically mild where the map is mild and would look that way even if the two preceding winters were mild.

How are your palm trees holding up in this cold winter?

Yeah. That and to have cities have their 3rd coldest stretch in 152 years is impressive. People keep acting like this happens every winter.

I know everyone here just seems to have mood swings with each op model run but the look on the ensembles in late February doesn’t look bad to me at all. You have Canada filled with Arctic air, a -PNA and the seasonal warming in the south as we head toward March. The ingredients are there for interesting stuff IMO.

Please stay in Florida. Thanks.

I mean if you're in some rural white trash trailer park you might have an issue but I'm sure that's true in Illinois too. Other than that, I think he's misinformed.

Yeah. If you want sun in the winter, Arctic cold is what you need. In Michigan that’s especially true later in winter when the lakes are at their lowest temperature and or have ice cover. One of the worst things about mild winters is the seemingly constant low clouds most days.

Our below freezing streak should end on Tuesday. We've been below freezing since it dropped during the day on January 14th. We won't quite make it a full month but still not bad.

Yeah. Third coldest in 152 years happens all the time. Yes, you’re downplaying it. lol

There’s obviously a mild to very mild stretch coming up but they’re talking about after that.

Some were saying the cold wasn’t impressive but that looks impressive to me. It might not match the warm anomalies out west with a warmer world but to downplay the cold the last three weeks isn’t being honest.

I mentioned this last winter but I'm still surprised at how little ice there was at this time last year in what was not a warm winter by any means. I mean last winter at this time had less ice than 2006-2007 which is really surprising to me considering that winter was pretty much a torch from early December until mid January.

If you're looking at it from where you live, I guess it's not great but overall it quickly brings back the -WPO so they'll be a lot of arctic air pressing into the ridge so I would say it actually looks pretty wintry for the country especially as you go north and west. I know that's not good for your area though.

I guess I didn’t actually expect that. The blocking was probably stronger in 1977 though. You can also see how the temperature in the Arctic dropped in February at the same time it warmed up significantly down here. I swear some people act like there’s palm trees growing up there today. lol

It really is tough to get the right combination of cold and gulf moisture together consistently.

I was wondering if there’s a way to get Greenland’s average temp over a monthly period and compare to this January. There probably isn’t. This January in the US will be much warmer than 1977 because the planet is warmer and the pattern wasn’t even cold for the first half or so of the month. Look at Alaska. It was very warm in 1977 and actually will be below normal in much of the state this year.

I’m not sure using one month from one city seven years ago really proves much.

After all the years of reading this board I feel like there’s three categories that the warmth cheering crowd falls into. 1. Someone who genuinely likes warm weather. They’re always hoping for the warmest it can be. 2. someone who knows the majority of the board likes cold and snow and hopes for warmth to see the misery of the cold lovers possibly because they are unhappy with their own life. 3. Someone who cheers on warmth because they want the cold lovers to be upset with humans for putting CO2 into the atmosphere. Political motivation is not out of the question with this type of person.

So how much warmer was Greenland this month compared to a month with -NAO blocking in let’s say the late ‘70s? I honestly have no idea. If I remember correctly the winter of ‘76-‘77 was one of or the warmest winter in Alaska which makes sense because it was so cold down here.

I’m having a hard time believing that.

You make it sound like every winter used to have extended coast to coast cold as if we’ve never had a warm west/cold east winter before. Large temperature swings in winter certainly aren’t anything new either.

Isn’t he also the guy that lived in Canada at one point because he was on the run from the law here?

I think this just shows what some people here have been saying for awhile now, that despite a warmer world, it’s not so warm that it can’t still be very cold if the pattern supports it. The problem we’ve had a lot in the last decade is a bad pacific pattern for cold and a lack of high latitude blocking. Now, if you want to argue that the pattern is influenced by a warmer world, that’s another story but that also kind of goes against what happened this winter too.