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You keep saying this but outside of the lake effect snow belts, this area had a dry winter which is very uncharacteristic of a Nina winter. The Nina winters that are dry here are usually the ones that have the giant vortex over Alaska that keeps the entire country mild. This past winter obviously didn’t have anything close to that.

Yeah. We saw the -PDO hold in what was I believe technically a super Nino. So it’s not like it’s never happened before during a very -PDO regime.

At least we're now in the short 3 months or so where even normal temperatures are pleasant.

82-83 and 97-98 are what I think of when I think of a very strong El Niño winter in the Midwest. I actually had quite a bit of wet 32F snow in 15-16, it just always started melting shortly after it fell. 15-16 was missing the “dry” part of a strong Nino around here.

I wouldn’t think 98-99 would be your kind of winter. Some great snow depth in January for awhile but it certainly wasn’t a cold, snow covered winter overall. I would actually put this past winter above 98-99 for overall wintery feel.

That doesn't seem likely since the fires haven't been burning that long and I would think any smoke thick enough to slow daytime heating would also reduce radiational cooling. I think it's just been a long time since we've seen a pattern that can deliver this cold and dry of an airmass in June. We've grown accustomed to what seems like consistent warmth and high dewpoints during the three summer months in recent years or even decades. However, history says this chilly type of airmass does happen sometimes in early June.

Yeah but I guess I wasn't thinking government conspiracy.

lol. what?

What is up with these Canadian wildfires every May? I understand a couple of years ago when Canada had that record or near record warm May. That would obviously cause the snow to melt and everything to dry up but not greened up yet. This year, the majority of Canada has had below normal temperatures this month. It seems all it takes anymore is a few “warm” days and you have spontaneous combustion of the forests. Are warmer and shorter winters causing more vegetation that then goes dormant for the winter allowing more fuel for the fires?

Hope you’re feeling better.

Yeah. I like the low heights and cool showing up starting next week across Canada while some “heat” starts showing up for much of this sub. That should make for some fun somewhere.

It seems unusual for bowtie to go 2 months without cloud pics.

You would hate it here today. Right now it’s sunny and 49F. Frost possible with mid 30s tonight and yes the furnace is definitely on. lol

There will be for sure. This kind of goes back to what I was talking about also. Yes, this week into the weekend will definitely have below average temperatures but the type of weather coming up is far from unusual for late May/Memorial Day Weekend. There's been many times when Memorial Day Weekend is chilly. I even feel like there might be more that are what you would call chilly than warm. However, most people that don't pay attention to the weather are not going to remember that. They'll remember the ones that had highs in the 80s each day and forget about all of the ones that had highs in the 50s or 60s. Then they'll say how they can't believe how cold it is and they never remember it ever being this cold for the holiday.

I like this post. This is why there's so much disagreement among the general population(and even some posters here)about climate change. How many people that don't understand anything about weather or climate would guess that there were 4 winters in Detroit between 1874 and 1882 that were warmer than today's average with some significantly so? Not many I bet. People just can't grasp that we're talking about an average global temp and in many cases, it's tenths of a degree we're talking about. It's still cold in the arctic and warm along the equator. It still snows at the North Pole in the summer and can even snow around here in May. That doesn't mean the earth isn't warming and it doesn't mean the earth is cooling. It's just "normal" weather variation. You will still have cold records, it's just that warm records are likely to outpace the cold records. If you aren't someone that pays attention to the weather(like most people)then you don't know this stuff because the media is just as clueless about any of this as the average person.

This time of year is when you can get weird stuff like Minneapolis being warmer than Paducah. The high sun angle this time of year can build warmth in the north with the right pattern. It doesn’t have to advect in like during the cold season. Then you get one of those classic May cut off lows that trap “cool” air with lots of clouds and rain to the south and you can get a couple weeks of warm north, cool south type weather. So while it isn’t common it’s also not really unheard of this time of year either.

I feel like there’s a chance that dewydews might grow palms somewhere near Milwaukee. lol

Your buddy JB and Weatherbell in general are forecasting a wet summer on the east coast with near normal temperatures. So it looks like you agree with him. lol. They have big heat in the central part of the country.

The warmth is good for getting t-storms but that’s about it. This 80 degree stuff is too warm for me. lol.

It seems hard not to have to use either heat or AC here in Spring(obviously heat more than AC). September and to a lesser extent October seems to be the months where I can get away with using neither the most. Even the warm days have much longer nights by then which cools it off quicker. It’s always refreshing to be able to have windows open all day during the summer but I hate when the house gets above 75 so that’s a problem for a lot of summer days. lol

I’m sure the drought that summer actually helped to get that record low the same as it helped the record highs. I remember I think it was July 2001 that also had a pretty good cold snap in early July. I think we had highs only in the 60s with sun and some spots in the lower peninsula even had frost I believe.

Sometimes you can get these very warm temps in northern areas this time of year easier than in the summer because of the still limited foliage.

Not only that, I think the extra moisture in the air is what keeps the Arctic warmer during the cold season. Even a small amount of moisture added to very cold air will raise the temp. Arctic summers aren’t warming much but as soon as October comes around, it’s always a torch(relative to average) in the Arctic. The moisture probably isn’t allowing it to cool off as fast as it used to. Then you have less sea ice which just adds even more moisture to the air. In the Summer, the added moisture results in cloudier and cooler temps overall in the Arctic which is why we haven’t had a new record low in sea ice since 2012. You need warmer and sunnier temps to really melt the ice up there.

If you're going to Miami this summer, make sure to take a hoodie. It's going to be cool there.

What does a cool Summer in your area usually portend for Summer for the rest of the country? Anything?