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Man I didn't even know that could happen there, lol (of course I'm just an amateur hobbyist when it comes to this stuff!)

Besides...we don't have to look too far back to see that: just look how 2017 turned on a dime! Here we are looking up at the eclipse...and the next thing you know (like literally starting the next week)...Harvey, Irma.....eventually Maria, and others! I don't even know much about how stuff happens in the tropics...but that year was enough to convince me about how quickly things can change!

Since apparently it's mandatory to always factor in the fact that it's 2020...bet on this happening at least once between now and late August, lol

Oh dang you were that close?? Glad your house didn't sustain any damage! Man this has "dilapidated city infrastructure" written all over it, smh

And you'd be somewhere between troll and objective. And people react differently, dude...I call it snow loving. Hysterical is a feminizing term, tbh

After last year I kinda gave up on that...lol I guess a tiny piece of me hopes the solar min will save something...but that's about the last "WDI" thing for me. As somebody said, we hit bottom solar earlier this year, and from here it only goes back up...so that...combined with the fact that swe saw no apparent positive effect from the low solar last year, I'd imagine this winter would be the last chance to see it. If we don't, then that "effect" might be broken like everything else seems to be, lol

Is that always true, though? Still think that depends on the larger factors like ENSO and NAO and such. What bothers me is...if this becomes a new reality, we may have to rely on even MORE flukes than before!

Ohhh I see it alright....but as I said, it's bad enough to have the bad data in front of us. I don't get how poking fun of it and pretending to enjoy things going bad even more ain't salt in the wound. We could be looking at the prospect of losing something in life we've all enjoyed (or at least seeing even less of it than before). So yeah, maybe I am a little reactive to it--but it sucks, plain and simple--no matter how low you set your expectations.

Well, am I wrong?

I was just wondering the same thing earlier today...Why does it feel like the Super Niño just flat-out broke things? Nothing has behaved right since!

There's a difference between being in touch with reality than acting practically giddy when things don't turn out well. That's why I'm wondering if you enjoyed snow in the first place. I don't think anybody's expectations are high by any means right now...so what's the point in pouring the salt in?

Hey look, if it's gonna be true, at least we have plenty of time to grieve the bad winter before it actually gets here. Hopefully by then we can be numb to it. But really, I don't know if the lowest of low expectations would make the potential suckage any less depressing. It's like losing something in life you once enjoyed--you expect it isn't coming, but you still miss it all the same.

Yeah @CAPE seriously...it's like you love putting salt in the wound, lol I'm wondering...do you not like snow, or do you love to troll?

Yeah I didn't quite understand that...suspended for voicing a legit concern?

How far back we talkin'? Lol

Now hang on...how would this mix with a La Nina? Aren't ninas cold and suppressive like 2017-18? (Have there been any warm ninas?) How does a SE ridge like this...mix with a nina? Anomalous la nina winter fun? Now I could very well be oversimplifying, of course...In my brain I'm just remembering the visuals of the parade of HP's in the middle of the country, suppressed storm/misses, seeing all the deep blue pushing to the south... So I now I see the red (SE ridge) pushing that up...but I'll wait for @psuhoffman or anybody else to tell me why it's not that simple and/or doesn't work that way

We call ourselves people here But seriously sir, getting a thrill out of extreme weather is probably much more common here than elsewhere, I'll bet!

But even so...if it turns out that children can spread it...even if it harms them less, are we okay with them contributing to increased transmission of the virus? And in particular...the teachers being susceptible to it? To me that's the bigger problem...but the frustrating part is the evidence is not clear as of yet. Prior to last month, it wasn't looking like they thought kids spread it. But now, over the last few weeks, you have two rather discouraging studies come out from S. Korea (saying that kids 10+ can spread it just like adults), and another talking about kids 5 and under having a higher viral load. And then you have the two summer camp incidents. Now you mentioned suspicion about the reason for the pediatrician walk-back...I'm wondering if it's because of the research and incidents that I just mentioned!

Now is it me, or...did we just get unlucky on the trajectory on that one? @psuhoffman was that a product of the fast zonal flow...and that basically if it had started a little higher in latitude on the west coast (or wherever the storm started), we could've gotten it? Had it not been for the zonal flow...does the storm look different?

Ya know...it would help that...if we can't have deep snow anymore...I wish we could have ice storms like the south gets sometimes. Now THAT would be a nice consolation prize, lol Any chance the change in climate makes us more like that?

Ah, so the problem that seemed most evident in 2018-19 may keep haunting us, huh? (that sticks out in my mind because of the early Dec miss and the January storm that was "okay"). Aw man...from what you guys are saying...sounds like there's a possibility what we had in the best years may stay in the past. It's hard to face the prospect of not seeing the deep snow even 4-5 years apart. I gotta wonder if 2009-10, 2013-14, 2014-15, and the Blizzard of 2016 were our deep snow "Swan Song". One of life's pleasures evaporates....and it's kinda sad. All through most of our lives (all of my brief 29 years anyway, lol)...ya knew that at least every 3-4 years you could look forward to having a great winter. That would make the crappier ones a little easier, and open up new anticipation the following year(s) Even if going forward we try to learn not to expect it...it'll still be kinda sad each year. It'll be like a joy of the past now missing. P.S. If this is indeed our reality, I no longer associate the name "Hadley" with any positivity from now on, lol (although I did have a teacher with that name who was a positive influence, so that might save it, haha)

Now hang on...so last winter was an El Niño, though? Thought it was neutral?

Oh wow.....I mean...whoa. Now I hope there's something else that can off-set the pac firehose. Certainly we can still roll the dice with other elements each year? (or else we'd have to cancel how many winters? Mercy. Is the snow equation that simple?) You'll have to break this down a bit..."fast atmosphere"? So how does that connect to the mediocrity we've been seeing post January 2016? Lack of coastal storms? Too warm? I'm a bit confused here

I do hope people behave in here...because this is the last surviving thread on the entire site!

Hm...wondering if there will be any other past indicators we usually rely on will behave the same way? Like ENSO, for example...now 2017-18 certainly looked like a textbook La Nina (unfortunately) And 2015-16 still acted like a typical Super Niño...(which historically have had either one big storm or nothing at all). When a mod Niño finally comes around again...will it be have the same, I wonder? And of course the solar part I always talk about...if that just comes and goes without any effect, that would also be a first...