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and yet in the "suburbs", they continue to fill in the spaces between the spaces...
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June 2025 discussion-obs: Summerlike
TheClimateChanger replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
Meanwhile, a number of record high monthly minimum temperatures set in the Plains from stations with threaded records extending into the 1800s. No doubt a lot more out there. These are only the ones I checked. I didn't look at any shorter POR sites. This ridge definitely seems to be getting its act together. High temperatures reached at least as high as 108F (Saint Francis, KS) yesterday. Not quite up to 2012 levels out there, but certainly a little more than the "it's just summer" narrative would seem to imply. -
They do it to keep geese away too. They did it to every field in our town. I hate it.
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Time 2 torch
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2025-2026 ENSO
40/70 Benchmark replied to 40/70 Benchmark's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
Going to need to see some huge changes in the subsurface to see a Modoki, but I'm not overly concerned with orientation when ENSO is this weak...just not that important. -
NWS point and click for 21136 has 89° for my afternoon high. It's not yet 10 am and I'm already at 81°.
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There are probably more. Those are just the sites I checked. MSP was 82F overnight, but has since dropped lower due to thunderstorm activity.
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the parks department sucks, I read that they are replacing playground grass fields with astroturf, which causes more heat and more injuries.... cheap goons (they dont want to pay for upkeep, watering, mowing, etc).
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Haha good luck with that. I requested a few street trees on the parks department website 4 years ago and I've gotten nothing. This is on a form specifically made to request street trees in specific locations, I wasn't writing an email to the parks department asking for a free tree or something.
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Incidentally, there's a major push in NYC and other large urban cities like Chicago, to greenify the city. Because UHI has major health implications too. The pledge is to make the city at least 30% green by 2030 and remove a lot of the concrete pollution where people live. We're also seeing it with the push for rooftop gardens, urban farming, community gardens, etc. So maybe greening the city will help control UHI and its health implications on people (while also cleaning the air, as more greenery means less air pollution and lower asthma rates too.)
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Yes no doubt there are major foliage issues now and I think that manifests itself most in wet patterns like we were in until recently. It's much less of an issue when we're in a dry pattern.
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Central Park wasn't wildly different on average compared to the surrounding stations until about 25 years ago.
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well, the park maybe (which is what thousands of people do), but not in the concrete jungle of course.
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Right thats my point and yet Central Park was also cooler by a significant margin in 1966 (and apparently also in 1973 when the high temperature at JFK was 100 and only 94 at Central Park.) I think the real conclusion to draw is that the park isn't representative of Manhattan as a whole and when you measure temperatures in a park you'd expect them to be lower than they would be in the concrete jungle or at an airport. Sure Central Park has foliage issues, but you'd expect their temperatures to be cooler even without those issues, as happened in 1966 and 1973.
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Looks to me like action packed 10 days ahead. Maybe someone can add the latest on EFI temp here, as well as all time record max NYC, EWR... last time 100 NYC. We already have the basics in the opener graphics. Noting PWAT near 2" Wed eve-Thu morning. Could be local wet microbursts and FF in our area but that is not intentionally covered in this thread. May add it early next week but only if it includes Wed. This thread is first and foremost dedicated to coming heat in our NYC suboforum and whether the EPS over did it? I am always cautious on extremes as I was in Sandy... and here too but we have to use the science to the best of our ability to mitigate adverse impact. and the science is improving. Brownouts coming NYC? This 4 day period is human-pet threat, especially the vulnerable young-old, limited cognitio and wherewithal. Good to prepare to to monitor and assist where needed. HW I think begins I95 corridor in NJ today with first 90. Probably my last on this today
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It’s called a shade. An amazing invention.
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Absolutely.
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Everyone knows that if you want to find reprieve from the heat you head to Manhattan
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Bro the location and foliage is not the same as it was in 1966 in Central Park. I
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wild, I didn't know about that one Don and that was before the overfoliage era at Central Park. It's even more than the 5 degree difference on July 4, 2010 (101 at JFK, 96 at NYC). Do you know offhand what the high at Central Park was on May 29, 1969 when JFK had their one and only 99 in May, Don?
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more impressive that we're still 2-3 weeks? from peak temps