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TH earliest measurable snow was recorded on 9/26/1942 2.0". Ish! Way too early. No worries this year, or most years for that matter. Just a reminder of the season we moving into I guess. Oct is a different story. Gets wild some years here in the N country.

I'm with you on that -PDO strong Nino Combo logically flooding the Country with mild PAC Air. Stranger things have happened I suppose. Could be a banner Winter in the Ski Resort Area's of the Rockies. Alot of heavy , wet Snow. Strong Blocking could throw the mid possibly southern Apps a shot at a heavy duty wet Snow Storm or two come mid January onward imo.

I’m waiting for @aldie 22 to tell me what this winter will bring.

Clouds most of the day. Some brief peeks of the sun. 60's again along the shore with a Lake breeze. Hit 70 inland, briefly.

No bueno...this is what Kev was getting at....if you're wondering why the EURO is warm despite a big -NAO, this is why.

I think most guidance is too cold, but I expect a better season than 2023, if that makes sense....

The reason that the EURO is warm despite a big -NAO is that the North Pacific Oscillation is pretty deeply negative so there is a real fire house of PAC jet.

There's nothing suggesting it'll be that warm. I say that with the understanding that the Niño is at record levels, but the same models that have been showing a record Niño don't have it that warm. But actually you and I are on the same page wrt how the winter should play out despite any differences of opinion on modeling. Of course, that could change if modeling goes into the crapper as we approach met winter. Lol

Love these temps. Heck of a way to run a torch..

There were a couple Mets and enthusiasts in the New England forum that strongly hinted at this possibility months ago. Hats off to those gentlemen so far.

High of 91. Down to 74 currently. Feels a lot better.

While I think that the NAO will average positive in the DJFM mean, I do not expect wall-to-wall +NAO, and there are some signs of some pretty significant blocking in the second half....even EURO has that, though it's probably overdone. Sept:

@mitchnickIf you look at the Pacific right now, then look at the CANSIPS.....the El Nino is very east-based, whereas the CANSIPS has been trending further east with each run, but is still central-based. It's also much too cool with the waters east of Japan. These inconsistencies coupled with the trend of guidance to underestimate the magnitude of ridges over the past decade plus should leave you very skeptical of the CANSIPS trending NORTHWARD with the lower heights, thus constricting the Canadian edge even further to the north.

Today's Highs: PHL: 84 New Brnswck: 83 EWR: 82 BLM: 81 JFK: 81 no intra hour highs TTN: 81 ACY: 81 ISP: 80 TEB: 80 LGA: 80 NYC: 79

No, it isn't because the EURO is more accurate in the Pacific THIS YEAR. If you want to say all seasonal guidance should be taken with a grain of salt, I agree....but CANSIPS requires a larger grain.

Actually, I was just playing the part of a weenie with JI. But, since you mentioned it, analyzing this year's Euro seasonal in light of a failed Euro seasonal forecast from 23/24 is sorta beyond absurd too.

Ji and "great assessment" isn't something you hear every day lmao

I think the AO will be negative.....EPO and NAO+ in the seasonal mean.

Great assessment.

That logic so absurd considering how poorly the CANSIPS is doing THIS YEAR in the Pacific.

We need something . Anything but this incessant boredom