2013-14 & 2014-15 now the 3rd snowiest 2 years on record for NYC

[yhbrooklyn]

Top 5:

2009-10 & 2010-11 - 113.3"

1947-48 & 1948-49 - 109.8"

2013-14 & 2014-15 - 104.4"

1915-16 & 1916-17 - 101.4"

1872-73 & 1873-74 - 97.2"

 

Other periods and rank.

5 years - 39.96" - 6th - Record 42.74"

10 years - 34.31" - 10th - Record 36.34"

15 years - 34.30" - 4th - Record 34.81"

[dmillz25]

Top 5:

2009-10 & 2010-11 - 113.3"

1947-48 & 1948-49 - 109.8"

2013-14 & 2014-15 - 104.4"

1915-16 & 1916-17 - 101.4"

1872-73 & 1873-74 - 97.2"

Other periods and rank.

5 years - 39.96" - 6th - Record 42.74"

10 years - 34.31" - 10th - Record 36.34"

15 years - 34.30" - 4th - Record 34.81"

Incredible 2 in 5 years. Impressive

[JBG]

In hindsight, the period since 1992-3 has had a snowy cast bettering the late 1950's through the 1960's.

[codfishsnowman]

agreed, overall nyc metro is on one heck of a streak!! i have frequently been jealous of some of the storms and snowfall rates that have been experienced down there!! the whole area has had a run on par with esne just spread out over a few years but you guys have seen most of what theyve seen between jan26-27 2011 and boxing day and feb 06 just to name a few

[UnionWeatherWx]

I have to agree when we get major storms, they pull through.

[codfishsnowman]

my aunt and uncle have been crushed the past two winters in rye brook and had 3 or 4 foot plus events in the 10-11 season....they are older and so sick of snow lol

[yhbrooklyn]

 

Top 5:

2009-10 & 2010-11 - 113.3"

1947-48 & 1948-49 - 109.8"

2013-14 & 2014-15 - 104.4"

1915-16 & 1916-17 - 101.4"

1872-73 & 1873-74 - 97.2"

 

Other periods and rank.

5 years - 39.96" - 6th - Record 42.74"

10 years - 34.31" - 10th - Record 36.34"

15 years - 34.30" - 4th - Record 34.81"

 

With the additional 3.3" of snow added by the NWS, the new numbers look like this:

2 years - 107.7" - 3rd - Record 113.3"

5 years - 40.62" - 4th - Record 42.74"

10 years - 34.64" - 7th - Record 36.34"

15 years - 34.52" - 3rd - Record 34.81"

 

It also bumped the 30 year average back over 28" for the first time since the end of 1969-70.

[ag3]

 

With the additional 3.3" of snow added by the NWS, the new numbers look like this:

2 years - 107.7" - 3rd - Record 113.3"

5 years - 40.62" - 4th - Record 42.74"

10 years - 34.64" - 7th - Record 36.34"

15 years - 34.52" - 3rd - Record 34.81"

 

It also bumped the 30 year average back over 28" for the first time since the end of 1969-70.

 

 

 

Yet some still post that NYCs average is 24".

[JBG]

Yet some still post that NYCs average is 24".

I've always seen it written up as 24". Maybe with the inter-storm measurement method it has increased the reported amounts.

[yhbrooklyn]

It was in 24 range for the 1971-2000 normals. It is now 25.8 for the 1981-2010 normals.

Barring a poor second half of this decade, it will likely be higher still for 1991-2020.

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

It was in 24 range for the 1971-2000 normals. It is now 25.8 for the 1981-2010 normals.

Barring a poor second half of this decade, it will likely be higher still for 1991-2020.

Take out the crappy 80s and it should shoot up. Although there were a good amount of 90s duds. It's really been this and the past decade that have been epic

[JBG]

It was in 24 range for the 1971-2000 normals. It is now 25.8 for the 1981-2010 normals.

Barring a poor second half of this decade, it will likely be higher still for 1991-2020.

Take out the crappy 80s and it should shoot up. Although there were a good amount of 90s duds. It's really been this and the past decade that have been epic

It was also in the 24" range for 1931-1960. You could make the same argument about the 1950's since only 1955-6, 1957-8 and 1959-60 were even decent.

[RU848789]

 

With the additional 3.3" of snow added by the NWS, the new numbers look like this:

2 years - 107.7" - 3rd - Record 113.3"

5 years - 40.62" - 4th - Record 42.74"

10 years - 34.64" - 7th - Record 36.34"

15 years - 34.52" - 3rd - Record 34.81"

 

It also bumped the 30 year average back over 28" for the first time since the end of 1969-70.

 

So, all we need is another 5.7" in the next ~2 weeks to break the record - easy, lol...

[ag3]

So, all we need is another 5.7" in the next ~2 weeks to break the record - easy, lol...

 

GFS says that we breeze through the record.

[uncle W]

there has not been any measurable snow in April since 2006...2003 was the last time NYC had a 4"+ storm in April...the sixties and 70's averaged 0.1" for April...from 1870 to 1960 NYC averaged slightly over one inch of snow for April...Since 1960 the average is around a third of an inch...

decade.......................Oct.....Nov.....Dec.....Jan.....Feb.....Mar.....Apr.....total

1870-71 to 1879-80......0.1.....0.9.....6.7......9.7......8.8.....4.1......1.6.....31.9
1880-81 to 1889-90........0......1.8.....7.1......8.8......7.6.....6.8......0.7.....32.8
1890-91 to 1899-00........0......3.3.....4.3......8.7....10.6.....7.1......0.8.....34.8
1900-01 to 1909-10........0......0.3.....6.2......9.1......9.2.....4.8......0.6.....30.2
1910-11 to 1919-20........0......0.2.....7.5......4.8......9.5.....8.3......2.3.....32.6
1920-21 to 1929-30......0.1.....0.1.....4.2......8.5....10.1.....2.2......0.9.....26.1
1930-31 to 1939-40........T......2.2.....4.3......6.4......8.5.....3.5......0.8.....25.7
1940-41 to 1949-50........T......0.6.....9.1......7.4......8.6.....4.8......1.1.....31.6
1950-51 to 1959-60......0.1.....0.5.....4.7......5.2......3.4.....8.0......0.8.....22.7
1960-61 to 1969-70........T......0.3.....7.4......7.7....10.6.....4.6......0.1.....30.7
1970-71 to 1979-80........T......0.3.....1.7......7.3......9.5.....2.4......0.1.....21.3
1980-81 to 1989-90........0......0.6.....2.1......7.8......5.3.....2.9......1.1.....19.8
1990-91 to 1999-00........0......0.3.....2.9......6.9......9.1.....5.4......0.2.....24.8
2000-01 to 2009-10........T........T.....7.8......6.5.....13.3.....3.5......0.4.....31.5
2010-11 to 2014-15......0.6.....1.0.....6.0....15.7.....12.0.....5.4........T......40.6 as of 3/20

1870-71 to 2009-10........T......0.8.....5.4......7.5......8.9.....4.9......0.8.....28.3
1980-81 to 2009-10........T......0.3.....4.3......7.1......9.2.....4.0......0.6.....25.4

[CPcantmeasuresnow]

It was in 24 range for the 1971-2000 normals. It is now 25.8 for the 1981-2010 normals.

Barring a poor second half of this decade, it will likely be higher still for 1991-2020.

 

If there is no more snow through Dec 2020 which is the end of the period they will calculate the new 30 year averages the 1991-2020 average in NYC would be 25.3 inches. Hopefully by pointing that out I didn't throw some kind of hex over central Park and they don't receive any more snow for the next five years.

 

The seasonal average since January 1991, is currently 30.6 inches per year.

 

The 146 year average in central Park is now up to 28.8 inches.

 

Whatever 24 inch figure is being thrown around is just incorrect.

[CPcantmeasuresnow]

It was also in the 24" range for 1931-1960. You could make the same argument about the 1950's since only 1955-6, 1957-8 and 1959-60 were even decent.

 

actually it wasn't, in the period from Jan 1931 to Dec 1960, the average was 27.1 inches.

[CPcantmeasuresnow]

Take out the crappy 80s and it should shoot up. Although there were a good amount of 90s duds. It's really been this and the past decade that have been epic

 

The period from January 1981 through December 1990 was the least snowiest decade in New York City history, with only 201.8 inches of snow. Already the period from January 2011 through March 2015 has seen 183 inches of snow. Barring a 5 year snow drought the 30 year average should go up when this decade is over.

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

The 1980s period that they used to calculate the 30 year norms which means from January 1981 through December 1990 was the least snowiest in New York City history, with only 201.8 inches of snow. Already the period rom January 2011 through March 2015 has seen 183 inches of snow. Barring a 5 year snow drought the 30 year should go up when this decade is over.

Pretty cool that the last 5 years only had 18" less snow then the entire 80s! Growing up on the south shore during the 80s we had less snow days the entire time I was in elementary school then most kids get in a bunch of given months the last few years

[yhbrooklyn]

actually it wasn't, in the period from Jan 1931 to Dec 1960, the average was 27.1 inches.

 

From 1927-1956 (calendar years), the average was 24.45.

We had a remarkable dry spell from 1927-1932, where the calendar year totals were 12.7", 14.4", 18.1", 13.0", 8.0" and 12.6.

Dropping three of those and adding healthy totals in 58, 59 and 60 moved it back over 27.

[Guest Pamela]

From 1927-1956 (calendar years), the average was 24.45.

We had a remarkable dry spell from 1927-1932, where the calendar year totals were 12.7", 14.4", 18.1", 13.0", 8.0" and 12.6.

 

 

So that shows that the snowless 1970 - 1999 period was far from some unprecedented phenomenon, but rather part of the natural order of things in the very cyclical way this type of thing invariably manifests.

[CPcantmeasuresnow]

There has only been one winter season with 4 consecutive months of double digit snowfalls in NYC and that was the winter of 95/96 and the months of December through March.

 

This season is so far one of only 7 to see 3 consecutive months of double digit snowfall. However all the seasons other than our current one saw their double digit months occur from December through February. This year NYC did it in January through March.

 

Below are the seasons that had 3 consecutive months of double digit snowfalls:

 

1872/73

1896/97

1947/48

1960/61

1963/64

1995/96

2014/15

 

It's doubtful whether this April could produce double digit snowfall totals to NYC, it has only happened twice. Three times if you include 1982 when on April 6 the zookeeper (or whoever or wherever they measured back then) measured 9.6 inches and everyone else in NYC 10-12 inches.

 

In this prolix posting, or PP for short, I am just pointing out it would be the first time double digit snowfalls happened consecutively in January through April and only the second time it ever happened period. I only mention this because of the potential for Wednesday’s clipper and Easter weekends coastal that the 12Z GFS continues to tease us with.

 

If Uncle W sees this please check my accuracy.

[uncle W]

There has only been one winter season with 4 consecutive months of double digit snowfalls in NYC and that was the winter of 95/96 and the months of December through March.

 

This season is so far one of only 7 to see 3 consecutive months of double digit snowfall. However all the seasons other than our current one saw their double digit months occur from December through February. This year NYC did it in January through March.

 

Below are the seasons that had 3 consecutive months of double digit snowfalls:

 

1872/73

1896/97

1947/48

1960/61

1963/64

1995/96

2014/15

 

It's doubtful whether this April could produce double digit snowfall totals to NYC, it has only happened twice. Three times if you include 1982 when on April 6 the zookeeper (or whoever or wherever they measured back then) measured 9.6 inches and everyone else in NYC 10-12 inches.

 

In this prolix posting, or PP for short, I am just pointing out it would be the first time double digit snowfalls happened consecutively in January through April and only the second time it ever happened period. I only mention this because of the potential for Wednesday’s clipper and Easter weekends coastal that the 12Z GFS continues to tease us with.

 

If Uncle W sees this please check my accuracy.

1906-07 had three in a row from Jan/Mar...1874-75 shows four months not in a row...Years ago the Nation weather service climate data and old almanacs I have showed 0.1" for December 1874...A few years ago it was changed to 10.0" and it was on December 19th...I measured 13.5" in the Poconos on April 6th 1982...I drove home as the storm was ending...No one was on the roads and I made it back to Brooklyn that evening and eyeballed 8" on the ground...A Bensonhurst coop station measured 8" also...

[CPcantmeasuresnow]

1906-07 had three in a row from Jan/Mar...1874-75 shows four months not in a row...Years ago the Nation weather service climate data and old almanacs I have showed 0.1" for December 1874...A few years ago it was changed to 10.0" and it was on December 19th...I measured 13.5" in the Poconos on April 6th 1982...I drove home as the storm was ending...No one was on the roads and I made it back to Brooklyn that evening and eyeballed 8" on the ground...A Bensonhurst coop station measured 8" also...

 

Damn, I feel like I wrote an A- paper and received a C+.

 

Thanks for the input Uncle.

[Guest Pamela]

There has only been one winter season with 4 consecutive months of double digit snowfalls in NYC and that was the winter of 95/96 and the months of December through March.

 

This season is so far one of only 7 to see 3 consecutive months of double digit snowfall. However all the seasons other than our current one saw their double digit months occur from December through February. This year NYC did it in January through March.

 

Below are the seasons that had 3 consecutive months of double digit snowfalls:

 

1872/73

1896/97

1947/48

1960/61

1963/64

1995/96

2014/15

 

It's doubtful whether this April could produce double digit snowfall totals to NYC, it has only happened twice. Three times if you include 1982 when on April 6 the zookeeper (or whoever or wherever they measured back then) measured 9.6 inches and everyone else in NYC 10-12 inches.

 

In this prolix posting, or PP for short, I am just pointing out it would be the first time double digit snowfalls happened consecutively in January through April and only the second time it ever happened period. I only mention this because of the potential for Wednesday’s clipper and Easter weekends coastal that the 12Z GFS continues to tease us with.

 

If Uncle W sees this please check my accuracy.

 

I'm not sure who was doing the measuring during the 1970's but a NY Times article said that after the Feb 6, 1978 storm...which had over 17 inches in the city...the mets did not walk to the Central Park to measure...they just "put the ruler in the ground at the Rockefeller Plaza"  which was where the weather office was. 

[CPcantmeasuresnow]

I'm not sure who was doing the measuring during the 1970's but a NY Times article said that after the Feb 6, 1978 storm...which had over 17 inches in the city...the mets did not walk to the Central Park to measure...they just "put the ruler in the ground at the Rockefeller Plaza"  which was where the weather office was. 

 

I've always considered that one of the biggest under measurements of all time, that would explain a lot. January 1996, the Boxing day 2010 storm is another and for the sake of our friendship I won't mention the blizzard of 1888, however I just did.

[Guest Pamela]

I've always considered that one of the biggest under measurements of all time, that would explain a lot. January 1996, the Boxing day 2010 storm is another and for the sake of our friendship I won't mention the blizzard of 1888, however I just did.

 

Don't fret...I couldn't hear it...

 

 

Reminds me of the Death on the Nile novel...

 

 

Poirot: From your very own mouth did I hear this...

The Ladysmaid:  How dare you listen to a private conversation...

Poirot: Some voices carry...

 

Lol.

[uncle W]

17.7" was measured for the blizzard of 78...there was a trace of snow on the ground when it started...there was 18" of snow depth after it stopped...It looks like they measured it after it stopped...same goes for every snow storm before it...

[NorthShoreWx]

17.7" was measured for the blizzard of 78...there was a trace of snow on the ground when it started...there was 18" of snow depth after it stopped...It looks like they measured it after it stopped...same goes for every snow storm before it...

 

The 17.7" amount was reached early in the morning on 2/7 and snow (mostly light) continued into the afternoon at central park without increasing the total snow depth.  Diary of central park obs:

 

 

http://www.northshorewx.com/images/Blizzard1978/Feb1978Journal-1and2.jpg

 

If that storm was to occur today, the measurement would be similar to 1978, although it could still be a little higher if a board was wiped at midnight.  More likely the once daily wipe would be around 8AM, which in theory would yield the same result. 

 

Using the 6 hour wipe schedule that was sanctioned a couple of years ago, that storm would have been closer to 2 feet.  As for what happened at LGA and JFK...they seem low, but it is hard to say.  After my 15" total during this January's blizzard, I have to conclude that it isn't impossible for those areas to have gotten shafted in 78.  On the other hand, 14" at JFK is quit a contrast to 22" at Rosedale.