June 2025 discussion-obs: Summerlike

[SACRUS]

 

You can argue 1988 August was hotter overall - look at the 4 89 degree consecutive highs

NYC (Central Park)

August 1	91	73	0.00	0.0
August 2	91	75	0.00	0.0
August 3	89	76	0.00	0.0
August 4	89	76	0.00	0.0
August 5	89	76	0.00	0.0
August 6	89	75	0.00	0.0
August 7	91	77	0.00	0.0
August 8	88	72	0.00	0.0
August 9	93	73	0.00	0.0
August 10	93	76	0.00	0.0
August 11	95	77	0.00	0.0
August 12	94	80	0.00	0.0
August 13	96	79	0.00	0.0
August 14	99	80	0.00	0.0
August 15	97	81	0.00	0.0

[LibertyBell]

Just now, bluewave said:

The circulation patterns have changed since the 1950s. So areas east of the Hudson have more onshore flow influence and rainfall. So the most impressive records for heat in recent years have been found in NJ. 

We can’t use NYC to compare to those days since they changed how the measure temperatures in 1995 under the trees instead of out in the open in the 1940s and 1950s. 
 

 

 

But what if it's a 12 year cycle from the 1944-1955  period that repeated during the 1991-2002 period, do you think the circulation pattern itself could be cyclic and if so, when it happens again the extreme heat will be even hotter than it was back then?

 

[LibertyBell]

1 minute ago, SACRUS said:

 

You can argue 1988 August was hotter overall - look at the 4 89 degree consecutive highs

NYC (Central Park)

 

August 1	91	73	0.00	0.0
August 2	91	75	0.00	0.0
August 3	89	76	0.00	0.0
August 4	89	76	0.00	0.0
August 5	89	76	0.00	0.0
August 6	89	75	0.00	0.0
August 7	91	77	0.00	0.0
August 8	88	72	0.00	0.0
August 9	93	73	0.00	0.0
August 10	93	76	0.00	0.0
August 11	95	77	0.00	0.0
August 12	94	80	0.00	0.0
August 13	96	79	0.00	0.0
August 14	99	80	0.00	0.0
August 15	97	81	0.00	0.0

meh that 102 peak and 8 straight days of 95+ from 1944 really stands out, when you compute the average highs of both how do they compare?

Incidentally both 1944 and 1988 are part of the 11 year solar cycle (as were 1955, 1966, 1977, 1999, 2010).

 

[LibertyBell]

3 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

You can argue 1988 August was hotter overall - look at the 4 89 degree consecutive highs

NYC (Central Park)

 

August 1	91	73	0.00	0.0
August 2	91	75	0.00	0.0
August 3	89	76	0.00	0.0
August 4	89	76	0.00	0.0
August 5	89	76	0.00	0.0
August 6	89	75	0.00	0.0
August 7	91	77	0.00	0.0
August 8	88	72	0.00	0.0
August 9	93	73	0.00	0.0
August 10	93	76	0.00	0.0
August 11	95	77	0.00	0.0
August 12	94	80	0.00	0.0
August 13	96	79	0.00	0.0
August 14	99	80	0.00	0.0
August 15	97	81	0.00	0.0

Tony what was the high on August 16, did it stay in the 90s?

 

[LibertyBell]

22 minutes ago, bluewave said:

While those 1950s heatwaves were intense while they were occurring, they didn’t t have the lasting power of extended stretches of 95°+ heat that has become common during the 2010s and 2020s. This is the top 11 for 95° days at Newark. 1955 only had 17 days reaching 95° in 1955. Newark has exceed that number twice since 2021. Last summer Central NJ had 21 days which surpassed 2002 and 1955.

Time Series Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ - Jan through Dec
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.

1	1993	25	0
2	2010	21	0
3	2022	20	0
-	1988	20	0
-	1944	20	0
4	2021	18	0
5	2012	17	0
-	2011	17	0
-	2002	17	0
-	1955	17	0
6	1949	16	0
7	2005	14	0
-	1953	14	0
8	2016	13	0
-	1999	13	0
-	1991	13	0
-	1987	13	0
9	1994	12	0
-	1983	12	0
-	1966	12	0
10	2018	11	0
-	1973	11	0
11	2024	10	0

 

Time Series Summary for HIGHTSTOWN 2 W, NJ - Jan through Dec
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1	2024	21	2
2	2002	17	0
3	1955	16	8
4	1953	14	0
5	2021	13	0
-	2018	13	1
-	2016	13	2
-	2010	13	4
-	1988	13	0
-	1949	13	0

Not having lived during the 50s, Newark matches my experience of 1993 and 2010 being my two hottest summers during the time I've been alive.  It's curious EWR is so much closer to my experience than LGA is lol.

 

[bluewave]

7 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Incidentally where is Hightstown Chris. I had never heard of this town until you started posting this but they seem to have a treasure trove of data going back to the 1940s, including some of the best historically hot summers like 1955 which leads the pack with 8 days of 95+ on that list!

1955 finished in 3rd place for 95° days there but was surpassed last summer. 
 

 

[LibertyBell]

6 minutes ago, bluewave said:

1955 finished in 3rd place for 95° days there but was surpassed last summer. 
 

 

What did the 8 in the other table indicate Chris? There is something in the other table that says 8 for 1955, 4 for 2010 and 2 for 2016 and 2024-- was that number of 100+ days? If so that would mean that Hightstown had 8 days of 100+ in 1955? WOW!

[bluewave]

6 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Not having lived during the 50s, Newark matches my experience of 1993 and 2010 being my two hottest summers during the time I've been alive.  It's curious EWR is so much closer to my experience than LGA is lol.

 

2010 had the most 95° days at Mineola right before the station shut down.

 

 

[LibertyBell]

1 minute ago, bluewave said:

2010 had the most 95° days at Mineola right before the station shut down.

 

 

Yes and here too, we had 11 of those days.  The station maximum was set in 2011 though when they reached 108, the same as Newark on the same day?

[cardinalland]

26 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Tony what was the high on August 16, did it stay in the 90s?

 

high of 86F, low of 74F

27 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

meh that 102 peak and 8 straight days of 95+ from 1944 really stands out, when you compute the average highs of both how do they compare?

Incidentally both 1944 and 1988 are part of the 11 year solar cycle (as were 1955, 1966, 1977, 1999, 2010).

 

Aug 1944 had an average high of 88.0F, Aug 1988 had an average high of 87.0F

 

[bluewave]

15 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Yes and here too, we had 11 of those days.  The station maximum was set in 2011 though when they reached 108, the same as Newark on the same day?

You can see how the ASOS right on the bay at LGA held the 95° day count down there in 2010 with all the westerly flow compared to Mineola which was more inland away from the water.

Data for January 1, 2010 through December 31, 2010 95° days
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NJ	NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP	WBAN	21
NY	MINEOLA	COOP	20
NJ	CANOE BROOK	COOP	18
NJ	RINGWOOD	COOP	18
NY	WANTAGH CEDAR CREEK	COOP	17
NJ	HARRISON	COOP	16
NJ	CRANFORD	COOP	14
NJ	TETERBORO AIRPORT	WBAN	12
NJ	TETERBORO AIRPORT	COOP	12
NY	LAGUARDIA AIRPORT	WBAN	11
NY	BRONX	COOP	11
CT	DANBURY	COOP	10
NY	JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT	WBAN	10

 

[LibertyBell]

16 minutes ago, bluewave said:

You can see how the ASOS right on the bay at LGA held the 95° day count down there in 2010 with all the westerly flow compared to Mineola which was more inland away from the water.

Data for January 1, 2010 through December 31, 2010 95° days
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.

NJ	NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP	WBAN	21
NY	MINEOLA	COOP	20
NJ	CANOE BROOK	COOP	18
NJ	RINGWOOD	COOP	18
NY	WANTAGH CEDAR CREEK	COOP	17
NJ	HARRISON	COOP	16
NJ	CRANFORD	COOP	14
NJ	TETERBORO AIRPORT	WBAN	12
NJ	TETERBORO AIRPORT	COOP	12
NY	LAGUARDIA AIRPORT	WBAN	11
NY	BRONX	COOP	11
CT	DANBURY	COOP	10
NY	JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT	WBAN	10

 

It's interesting that JFK and LGA had almost the same number of 95+ days in 2010, what was NYC's count Chris?

[LibertyBell]

18 minutes ago, cardinalland said:

high of 86F, low of 74F

Aug 1944 had an average high of 88.0F, Aug 1988 had an average high of 87.0F

 

Thanks, 1944 really stands out wow, I wonder what was going on that summer to cause such intense prolonged heat (outside of that 11 year sunspot cycle lol.) 1944 must've been the hottest summer on record up to that point, I can't see any previous summer going back to the 1860s being as hot as 1944 was.  1896 did have that historic 10 day heatwave, but it didn't reach 100 degrees during that stretch.

 

[SACRUS]

11 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Thanks, 1944 really stands out wow, I wonder what was going on that summer to cause such intense prolonged heat (outside of that 11 year sunspot cycle lol.) 1944 must've been the hottest summer on record up to that point, I can't see any previous summer going back to the 1860s being as hot as 1944 was.  1896 did have that historic 10 day heatwave, but it didn't reach 100 degrees during that stretch.

 

 

Newark, NJ August 1944

 

Day	High (°F)	Low (°F)	Precip. (inches)	Snow (inches)
August 1	93	70	0.00	0.0
August 2	79	70	0.46	0.0
August 3	82	70	0.23	0.0
August 4	100	68	0.00	0.0
August 5	102	75	0.03	0.0
August 6	87	71	0.53	0.0
August 7	79	63	0.00	0.0
August 8	84	66	0.00	0.0
August 9	86	58	0.00	0.0
August 10	97	60	0.00	0.0
August 11	102	67	0.00	0.0
August 12	98	71	0.00	0.0
August 13	100	73	0.00	0.0
August 14	98	75	0.00	0.0
August 15	99	73	0.00	0.0
August 16	99	68	0.86	0.0
August 17	95	73	0.00	0.0
August 18	83	65	0.17	0.0
August 19	78	60	0.00	0.0
August 20	82	56	0.00	0.0
August 21	88	58	0.00	0.0
August 22	85	67	0.01	0.0
August 23	89	64	0.00	0.0
August 24	77	57	0.00	0.0
August 25	77	55	0.00	0.0
August 26	77	53	0.00	0.0
August 27	76	54	0.00	0.0
August 28	78	53	0.00	0.0
August 29	78	62	0.00	0.0
August 30	86	58	0.00	0.0
August 31	90	62	0.00	0.0

[LibertyBell]

16 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

Newark, NJ August 1944

 

Day	High (°F)	Low (°F)	Precip. (inches)	Snow (inches)
August 1	93	70	0.00	0.0
August 2	79	70	0.46	0.0
August 3	82	70	0.23	0.0
August 4	100	68	0.00	0.0
August 5	102	75	0.03	0.0
August 6	87	71	0.53	0.0
August 7	79	63	0.00	0.0
August 8	84	66	0.00	0.0
August 9	86	58	0.00	0.0
August 10	97	60	0.00	0.0
August 11	102	67	0.00	0.0
August 12	98	71	0.00	0.0
August 13	100	73	0.00	0.0
August 14	98	75	0.00	0.0
August 15	99	73	0.00	0.0
August 16	99	68	0.86	0.0
August 17	95	73	0.00	0.0
August 18	83	65	0.17	0.0
August 19	78	60	0.00	0.0
August 20	82	56	0.00	0.0
August 21	88	58	0.00	0.0
August 22	85	67	0.01	0.0
August 23	89	64	0.00	0.0
August 24	77	57	0.00	0.0
August 25	77	55	0.00	0.0
August 26	77	53	0.00	0.0
August 27	76	54	0.00	0.0
August 28	78	53	0.00	0.0
August 29	78	62	0.00	0.0
August 30	86	58	0.00	0.0
August 31	90	62	0.00	0.0

wild, 4 100+ days in just the first 13 days of the month lol

By the way, it looks like it's going to be cloudy on Wednesday and more rain on Thursday? Looks like we won't see sunny weather until Friday? In a way it's a good thing as it will reset the pattern back to sunny weekends.

 

[LibertyBell]

11 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

Newark, NJ August 1944

 

Day	High (°F)	Low (°F)	Precip. (inches)	Snow (inches)
August 1	93	70	0.00	0.0
August 2	79	70	0.46	0.0
August 3	82	70	0.23	0.0
August 4	100	68	0.00	0.0
August 5	102	75	0.03	0.0
August 6	87	71	0.53	0.0
August 7	79	63	0.00	0.0
August 8	84	66	0.00	0.0
August 9	86	58	0.00	0.0
August 10	97	60	0.00	0.0
August 11	102	67	0.00	0.0
August 12	98	71	0.00	0.0
August 13	100	73	0.00	0.0
August 14	98	75	0.00	0.0
August 15	99	73	0.00	0.0
August 16	99	68	0.86	0.0
August 17	95	73	0.00	0.0
August 18	83	65	0.17	0.0
August 19	78	60	0.00	0.0
August 20	82	56	0.00	0.0
August 21	88	58	0.00	0.0
August 22	85	67	0.01	0.0
August 23	89	64	0.00	0.0
August 24	77	57	0.00	0.0
August 25	77	55	0.00	0.0
August 26	77	53	0.00	0.0
August 27	76	54	0.00	0.0
August 28	78	53	0.00	0.0
August 29	78	62	0.00	0.0
August 30	86	58	0.00	0.0
August 31	90	62	0.00	0.0

Looks like EWR also had an 8 day streak of 95+, was that their longest? Maybe not, as July 1993 was hotter there, 5 consecutive days of 100+

[LibertyBell]

Just now, LibertyBell said:

Looks like EWR also had an 8 day streak of 95+, was that their longest? Maybe not, as July 1993 was hotter there, 5 consecutive days of 100+

 

12 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

Newark, NJ August 1944

 

Day	High (°F)	Low (°F)	Precip. (inches)	Snow (inches)
August 1	93	70	0.00	0.0
August 2	79	70	0.46	0.0
August 3	82	70	0.23	0.0
August 4	100	68	0.00	0.0
August 5	102	75	0.03	0.0
August 6	87	71	0.53	0.0
August 7	79	63	0.00	0.0
August 8	84	66	0.00	0.0
August 9	86	58	0.00	0.0
August 10	97	60	0.00	0.0
August 11	102	67	0.00	0.0
August 12	98	71	0.00	0.0
August 13	100	73	0.00	0.0
August 14	98	75	0.00	0.0
August 15	99	73	0.00	0.0
August 16	99	68	0.86	0.0
August 17	95	73	0.00	0.0
August 18	83	65	0.17	0.0
August 19	78	60	0.00	0.0
August 20	82	56	0.00	0.0
August 21	88	58	0.00	0.0
August 22	85	67	0.01	0.0
August 23	89	64	0.00	0.0
August 24	77	57	0.00	0.0
August 25	77	55	0.00	0.0
August 26	77	53	0.00	0.0
August 27	76	54	0.00	0.0
August 28	78	53	0.00	0.0
August 29	78	62	0.00	0.0
August 30	86	58	0.00	0.0
August 31	90	62	0.00	0.0

it's wild that the rainiest day of the entire month had a high of 99. It would have been over 100 if not for that rain lol.

[bluewave]

27 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

It's interesting that JFK and LGA had almost the same number of 95+ days in 2010, what was NYC's count Chris?

Only 8 days due to the excessive tree growth over the sensors.

[SACRUS]

 

Newark, NJ Jul - Aug 1988

 

July 29	95	73	0.00	0.0
July 30	99	78	0.00	0.0
July 31	90	76	0.00	0.0

Day	High (°F)	Low (°F)	Precip. (inches)	Snow (inches)
August 1	91	76	0.00	0.0
August 2	94	76	0.00	0.0
August 3	93	76	0.00	0.0
August 4	92	77	0.00	0.0
August 5	90	77	0.00	0.0
August 6	90	75	0.00	0.0
August 7	93	77	0.00	0.0
August 8	90	75	0.00	0.0
August 9	92	75	0.00	0.0
August 10	93	76	0.01	0.0
August 11	97	77	0.00	0.0
August 12	95	80	0.00	0.0
August 13	98	79	0.00	0.0
August 14	98	80	0.00	0.0
August 15	99	81	0.00	0.0
August 16	92	74	0.00	0.0
August 17	90	70	0.05	0.0

[winterwx21]

2 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

why, this weather really sucks.

fortunately humans can modify their own climate and I have my space heater running at 83 degrees since last night (yes I boosted it a degree because 82 made me feel cold last night.)

The 83 degree setting on my space heater compensates for the lack of sun and also eradicates this excessive moisture at the same time, killing mold.

It feels really nice here with a nice dry 83 degree heat (actually it's 85 since the heater only stops when my room temperature hits 85).

My rule of thumb is I can tolerate temperatures in the 60s when there is no wind and the sun is out.  But if there is no sun and it's windy my heat needs to stay on.  The space heater nicely compensates for the lack of sun and nukes the moisture in the air too. My indoor humidity is only 44% right now.

 

 

WOW, you like it very warm. Most people like room temperature in the low 70s. Like most people, I'd never be able to sleep if it was in the 80s in my house. 70 to 72 is my perfect temp range for sleeping. 

[vegan_edible]

3 minutes ago, winterwx21 said:

WOW, you like it very warm. Most people like room temperature in the low 70s. Like most people, I'd never be able to sleep if it was in the 80s in my house. 70 to 72 is my perfect temp range for sleeping. 

i need it to be like under 68 or i will not sleep at all, i could not imagine 80 degrees inside

[LibertyBell]

11 minutes ago, winterwx21 said:

WOW, you like it very warm. Most people like room temperature in the low 70s. Like most people, I'd never be able to sleep if it was in the 80s in my house. 70 to 72 is my perfect temp range for sleeping. 

Yes, it neutralizes the horrible weather outside.  it actually feels sunny inside my house

[LibertyBell]

7 minutes ago, vegan_edible said:

i need it to be like under 68 or i will not sleep at all, i could not imagine 80 degrees inside

it's the best way to neutralize the bad weather outside, it feels like summer in my house

[LibertyBell]

45 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

Newark, NJ Jul - Aug 1988

 

July 29	95	73	0.00	0.0
July 30	99	78	0.00	0.0
July 31	90	76	0.00	0.0

Day	High (°F)	Low (°F)	Precip. (inches)	Snow (inches)
August 1	91	76	0.00	0.0
August 2	94	76	0.00	0.0
August 3	93	76	0.00	0.0
August 4	92	77	0.00	0.0
August 5	90	77	0.00	0.0
August 6	90	75	0.00	0.0
August 7	93	77	0.00	0.0
August 8	90	75	0.00	0.0
August 9	92	75	0.00	0.0
August 10	93	76	0.01	0.0
August 11	97	77	0.00	0.0
August 12	95	80	0.00	0.0
August 13	98	79	0.00	0.0
August 14	98	80	0.00	0.0
August 15	99	81	0.00	0.0
August 16	92	74	0.00	0.0
August 17	90	70	0.05	0.0

more 90 degree days but less 95+ and no 100+?

[WE GOT HIM]

[SACRUS]

 

 

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[LongBeachSurfFreak]

2 hours ago, bluewave said:

You can see how the ASOS right on the bay at LGA held the 95° day count down there in 2010 with all the westerly flow compared to Mineola which was more inland away from the water.

Data for January 1, 2010 through December 31, 2010 95° days
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.

NJ	NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP	WBAN	21
NY	MINEOLA	COOP	20
NJ	CANOE BROOK	COOP	18
NJ	RINGWOOD	COOP	18
NY	WANTAGH CEDAR CREEK	COOP	17
NJ	HARRISON	COOP	16
NJ	CRANFORD	COOP	14
NJ	TETERBORO AIRPORT	WBAN	12
NJ	TETERBORO AIRPORT	COOP	12
NY	LAGUARDIA AIRPORT	WBAN	11
NY	BRONX	COOP	11
CT	DANBURY	COOP	10
NY	JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT	WBAN	10

 

Wantagh being high on the list shows how anomalously hot that summer was for the south shore. That mesonet sight is in reclaimed marshland less then a mile from the open bay. 

[Sundog]

5 minutes ago, WE GOT HIM said:

Let's hope that ugly blob migrates west a bit over the next 8 days

[SACRUS]

 

Dublin or Amsterdam like clouds -  ENE flow keep em stuck like puddy

 

[SACRUS]

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

wild, 4 100+ days in just the first 13 days of the month lol

By the way, it looks like it's going to be cloudy on Wednesday and more rain on Thursday? Looks like we won't see sunny weather until Friday? In a way it's a good thing as it will reset the pattern back to sunny weekends.

 

 

I dont think its good in anyway - cash in on near term sun vs mid/long range projected sun/heat any day of the week.  I do think while it may rain/storms we will get some sun each of the Wed-Thu and Fri period s.