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I also want to say, as there has been quite a bit of discussion about Euro clown maps this season, that I don't agree at all that these maps show snow for all precip that falls when the surface is freezing.  If you look closely at the WxBell 850 temp maps and clowns, the clown snow lines match up nearly perfectly with the 850 freezing temp lines.  They aren't a perfect indicator obviously, 10:1 ratio snow is a loose approximation, and sleet may not be factored in, but the clowns to me have been a nice general guide to snow coverage.  For the two or three storms that panned out here they weren't even that overblown on the totals.  I know some people regularly bash the clowns as being ridiculous and almost useless, but I'll go on the record saying I think that notion is BS, at least for this season in this region.

I can't say much to this as I only see what sometimes trickles out around this board...But they seem to correlate with what they are depicting...certainly did not seem out of place for our recent main event.

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Sad to see that the GEM is creeping eastward with it's major ice accumulations. Now it's pretty much everyone north of 40 in East Tennessee getting .25+ which is ice storm warning criteria, and everyone West of the plateau in Tennessee getting up to .75-1 inch amounts. Also Northern Miss takes it pretty hard on the chin with 1.5+ inches of ice. Southern Kentucky also gets hit pretty hard with ice on that run.

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NAM is a head scratcher Friday night into early Saturday. Nothing else agrees, GFS Euro RGEM, but the NAM is insists. All models lose the system over the Plains which makes sense in confluent flow there. However flow is not confluent aloft over the Valley. Is the NAM seeing something the others are missing? Or is the NAM on crack beyond 36 hours? If anything happens it'll probably just be from TRI to northwest NC.

 

EDIT: Moisture is the problem Friday night/Saturday. All 12Z data have lift. 850 temps fall in spite of warm air advection which is lift. However nothing but the NAM has measurable precip. No moisture.

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18z NAM is the 4th run in a row to show snow for tomorrow night for parts of middle and eastern TN.  This time the Hi-Res is showing snow breaking out on the eastern Highland Rim, Upper Cumberland area, and northern plateau, a little farther west from previous runs.  The probability of frozen precip for these areas (according to the Alan's Hi-Res maps) is 90 to 100%.  Looks like 1 to 2 inches west of plateau, dusting to 1 inch east of it.

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The 00z GEM drops a lot of sleet, and a fair amount of freezing rain from the Plateau and westward and then a couple of inches of snow on top of it from 40 north especially with the Monday system. If it's correct, it would be a mess across a good portion of Tennessee and Kentucky.

 

JKL has reflected this and now has an 80% chance of a wintry mix on Monday with rain to freezing rain to sleet to snow forecast there. They say for their forecast area, there is so much model consensus it's "inevitable" that it's going to happen.

 

The GFS is furthest NW with the precip, the Euro is around the middle of the two, with a lean towards the GFS. The NAM is closer to the GGEM but minus the snow.

 

The NAM is just pulling in into range for the Eastern Valley and shows ZR along the TN/KY line from around Middlesboro to points south and west including Nashville. West Tennessee is getting buried with sleet on the NAM through 84 while the same areas that pick up zr are starting to see sleet accumulate.

 

From Claiborne and West along the KY border, the NAM is showing more than .25 zr with totals approaching an inch in Northern Middle Tennessee. The zr runs down the west side of the Plateau and Nashville approaches .5 inches of freezing rain according to the NAM. This continues to around Jackson. 

 

The sleet is starting to accumulate on the Northern Plateau by 84 in East Tennessee, Kentucky and Nashville north, then SW to Jackson and Memphis are getting sleetpocalypsed with a large area of .75-1 inch qpf falling as sleet. Sleet is generally a 3:1 ratio, so 2-3 inches of sleet would be possible, on top of .25-.5 ice if the NAM plays out.

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The HPC is only going out to Monday morning at 8 am, but W Tennessee and most of Kentucky are already in the 60-80 percent freezing rain accumulation cone. The cold air should be invading points south and west as the day wears on. Not sure how far South and East it will go with moisture involved. But pretty much all models suggest the Western part of the Valley is in play for a big ice/sleet storm at the least.

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Holy cow !!GFS got colder,its gonna KO Memphis with ice

 


GFS 0.5 Degree FORECAST FOR: MEM    LAT=  35.05 LON=  -90.00 ELE=   285

                                            12Z FEB28   * - APPROXIMATED
                 2 M     850     SFC     SFC     700    6 HR     500    1000
                 TMP     TMP     PRS     RHU     RHU     QPF     HGT     500
                 ©     ©    (MB)    (PCT)   (PCT)   (IN)    (DM)     THK
FRI 12Z 28-FEB   0.1     1.1    1019      62      56             558     544   
FRI 18Z 28-FEB  10.1     1.1    1017      44      64    0.00     560     546   
SAT 00Z 01-MAR   6.7     0.0    1016      84      78    0.03     559     546   
SAT 06Z 01-MAR   6.4     3.8    1017      89      33    0.00     565     551   
SAT 12Z 01-MAR   6.8     3.9    1019      94      42    0.01     570     555   
SAT 18Z 01-MAR  10.8     6.0    1021      89      31    0.01     574     557   
SUN 00Z 02-MAR  10.3     8.1    1018      97      24    0.02     575     560   
SUN 06Z 02-MAR  12.7     9.6    1018      98      44    0.07     575     560   
SUN 12Z 02-MAR   7.4     9.1    1019      96      41    0.16     573     557   
SUN 18Z 02-MAR   4.0     9.0    1019      92      52    0.08     572     556   
MON 00Z 03-MAR   1.0     9.5    1017      92      98    0.35     569     556   
MON 06Z 03-MAR  -0.9     4.7    1019      93      99    1.08     564     550   
MON 12Z 03-MAR  -7.1     1.3    1024      88      55    0.06     560     542   
MON 18Z 03-MAR  -3.0    -0.4    1028      78      30    0.00     563     541

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GFS 0.5 Degree FORECAST FOR: BNA    LAT=  36.12 LON=  -86.68 ELE=   591

                                            12Z FEB28   * - APPROXIMATED
                 2 M     850     SFC     SFC     700    6 HR     500    1000
                 TMP     TMP     PRS     RHU     RHU     QPF     HGT     500
                 ©     ©    (MB)    (PCT)   (PCT)   (IN)    (DM)     THK
FRI 12Z 28-FEB  -5.8    -1.1    1023      54      24             556     539   
FRI 18Z 28-FEB   7.8     0.7    1020      20      20    0.00     558     542   
SAT 00Z 01-MAR   4.1     1.9    1018      53      76    0.00     560     546   
SAT 06Z 01-MAR   2.4    -0.5    1021      84      98    0.01     562     545   
SAT 12Z 01-MAR   3.0     2.3    1022      88      46    0.01     566     548   
SAT 18Z 01-MAR  10.9     3.5    1023      66      40    0.00     571     552   
SUN 00Z 02-MAR   8.3     6.0    1021      87      33    0.00     572     555   
SUN 06Z 02-MAR   8.9     7.9    1020      93      43    0.03     573     556   
SUN 12Z 02-MAR   8.6     8.1    1020      96      54    0.11     571     555   
SUN 18Z 02-MAR   6.2     7.9    1021      96      51    0.07     571     554   
MON 00Z 03-MAR   2.6     7.2    1017      96      95    0.20     568     554   
MON 06Z 03-MAR   0.7     6.4    1017      95      97    0.49     564     551   
MON 12Z 03-MAR  -3.6     1.5    1019      93      99    0.37     558     543   
MON 18Z 03-MAR  -3.5    -2.8    1025      82      53    0.01     559     539   
TUE 00Z 04-MAR  -5.5    -2.2    1027      85      16    0.01     560     539   
TUE 06Z 04-MAR  -9.0    -0.1    1029      89      23    0.00     561     539

 

 

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GFS 0.5 Degree FORECAST FOR: BNA LAT= 36.12 LON= -86.68 ELE= 591

12Z FEB28 * - APPROXIMATED

What does this mean? 2 M 850 SFC SFC 700 6 HR 500 1000

TMP TMP PRS RHU RHU QPF HGT 500

© © (MB) (PCT) (PCT) (IN) (DM) THK

FRI 12Z 28-FEB -5.8 -1.1 1023 54 24 556 539

FRI 18Z 28-FEB 7.8 0.7 1020 20 20 0.00 558 542

SAT 00Z 01-MAR 4.1 1.9 1018 53 76 0.00 560 546

SAT 06Z 01-MAR 2.4 -0.5 1021 84 98 0.01 562 545

SAT 12Z 01-MAR 3.0 2.3 1022 88 46 0.01 566 548

SAT 18Z 01-MAR 10.9 3.5 1023 66 40 0.00 571 552

SUN 00Z 02-MAR 8.3 6.0 1021 87 33 0.00 572 555

SUN 06Z 02-MAR 8.9 7.9 1020 93 43 0.03 573 556

SUN 12Z 02-MAR 8.6 8.1 1020 96 54 0.11 571 555

SUN 18Z 02-MAR 6.2 7.9 1021 96 51 0.07 571 554

MON 00Z 03-MAR 2.6 7.2 1017 96 95 0.20 568 554

MON 06Z 03-MAR 0.7 6.4 1017 95 97 0.49 564 551

MON 12Z 03-MAR -3.6 1.5 1019 93 99 0.37 558 543

MON 18Z 03-MAR -3.5 -2.8 1025 82 53 0.01 559 539

TUE 00Z 04-MAR -5.5 -2.2 1027 85 16 0.01 560 539

TUE 06Z 04-MAR -9.0 -0.1 1029 89 23 0.00 561 539

Nashville

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Here is a summary of the American models' meteograms for the Monday storm:

 

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The Euro seems to be reducing the QPF a little bit each run.  The NAM is now doing this as well relative to 0z.  The GGEM is holding fairly consistent with it's more robust sleet and ice scenario.  I believe the RGEM will tell the tale this weekend in terms of precip type.

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Ice is looking more and more like the real deal for parts of the Mid South, northern Tennessee, and Kentucky from Sunday through Monday. Thankfully I don't see problems in southeast Tenn. To me ice is worse than plain rain, so it's all good here in Chatty. That said, northwest Tennessee and Kentucky could see sig ice. MEM is tricky but close to that zone. Nashville is looking at less qpf compared to points west and north. First, I'm going to really really enjoy 70 degrees over the weekend! :sun:

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WHOA the 12z Euro says "well maybe temps WILL be cold enough for snow after all."

 

TQdnLS4.jpg

 

The 850 temps support this too so it's not one of those LOL EURO CLOWNZ cases.  The ensembles have hinted at this for a few days now.  It'll be interesting to see if the OP keeps it at 0z or even expands it eastward.

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WHOA the 12z Euro says "well maybe temps WILL be cold enough for snow after all."

 

TQdnLS4.jpg

 

The 850 temps support this too so it's not one of those LOL EURO CLOWNZ cases.  The ensembles have hinted at this for a few days now.  It'll be interesting to see if the OP keeps it at 0z or even expands it eastward.

Bend the trend all day colder,hope it continues

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I don't have access to the thermal profile of the 12z euro, but per stoves comment it shows snow for you. I know the struggles with snow in northern middle TN, but to have the euro make this big of a jump is significant IMO. It's trying to sniff something out and is following the trend of other modeling.

If 0z follows 12z later tonight with a similar solution and the ensembles agree, it will be game on for you guys. Hard to beat consecutive runs of the euro under 3 to 4 days, and its ensembles ........if you can get there tonight. If I were in your seat, I'd be much more optimistic. Good luck

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I don't have access to the thermal profile of the 12z euro, but per stoves comment it shows snow for you. I know the struggles with snow in northern middle TN, but to have the euro make this big of a jump is significant IMO. It's trying to sniff something out and is following the trend of other modeling.

If 0z follows 12z later tonight with a similar solution and the ensembles agree, it will be game on for you guys. Hard to beat consecutive runs of the euro under 3 to 4 days, and its ensembles ........if you can get there tonight. If I were in your seat, I'd be much more optimistic. Good luck

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Good points we shall see. We should see WSW go up probably I-40 North in tn

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Pretty much all models went colder today, most with slightly less precip, still lots of sleet/zr potential across the Valley with a dangerous storm on tap from the Plateau and West. The GFS is now taking zr and sleet accumulations into the Eastern Valley areas. It had been the furthest NW of the models. Euro seems to be the only one bringing significant snow.

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