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NE OK/ NW AR/ SE KS/ SW MO Winter 2010


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NAM did a pretty good job forecasting the winter side of this last system based on a comparison of the visible satellite imagery from JoMo's post above to that models depiction of snow/ice up in post #105, which was from 21 hrs out. Much better than any other model I recall seeing at least. Amounts were off some but the general idea and placement were close.

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NAM did a pretty good job forecasting the winter side of this last system based on a comparison of the visible satellite imagery from JoMo's post above to that models depiction of snow/ice up in post #105, which was from 21 hrs out. Much better than any other model I recall seeing at least. Amounts were off some but the general idea and placement were close.

Yeah it did. Probably because it handles low level cold air better.

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Sounds like a boring drab winter is in store if this keeps up lol.....

I do think we have potential this winter for a couple of storms. However, it is just going to be hard pressed to get much winter weather this winter. I just found this forum, very cool. Have a great day everyone.

Doug Heady

Chief Meteorologist

KOAMTV/FOX 14

Joplin MO/Pittsuburg KS

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Yeah from Springfield's afternoon discussion:

THE OVERALL WEATHER PATTERN IS FAIRLY SIMILAR TO LAST YEARS UNUSUALLY COLDWINTER. A STRONG UPPER LEVEL CYCLONE ANCHORS ACROSS SOUTHEASTCANADA...CREATING A NORTHWEST TRAJECTORY OVER MID AMERICA. THISWILL PROVIDE A CONTINUOUS PIPELINE OF DRY - COLD CANADIAN AIR THATSDIRECTED STRAIGHT INTO THE OZARKS. THIS PATTERN WILL ALSO SHUT DOWNANY MOISTURE ADVECTION FROM THE GULF OF MEXICO...THUS THE DRYFORECAST OVER THE NEXT SEVEN TO TEN DAYS.

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I do think we have potential this winter for a couple of storms. However, it is just going to be hard pressed to get much winter weather this winter. I just found this forum, very cool. Have a great day everyone.

Doug Heady

Chief Meteorologist

KOAMTV/FOX 14

Joplin MO/Pittsuburg KS

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Hey Doug, you still hear from Geoff Cornish? He used to post on the other weather forum when he was in the area.

I noticed this form his bio and remember this day very well:

http://www.wtvq.com/...am/109-gcornish

His most memorable day at KOAM was Saturday, May 10th, 2008 when an EF-4 tornado passed just south of Joplin , tragically killing 24 people in a three county area. Geoff was on the air for nearly three hours while his Chief Meteorologist was storm spotting and calling reports in to the weather center. It was a day he and many others in Kansas , Missouri and Oklahoma will never forget.
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Hey Doug, you still hear from Geoff Cornish? He used to post on the other weather forum when he was in the area.

I noticed this form his bio and remember this day very well:

http://www.wtvq.com/...am/109-gcornish

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Yes, Geoff and I stay in touch and he comes back once a year to do a lake trip. He is one of the nicest guys I have ever met. He is also one of the sharpest meteorologists around. Lexington is very lucky to have him.

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I do think we have potential this winter for a couple of storms. However, it is just going to be hard pressed to get much winter weather this winter. I just found this forum, very cool. Have a great day everyone.

Doug Heady

Chief Meteorologist

KOAMTV/FOX 14

Joplin MO/Pittsuburg KS

[email protected]

Welcome to the forum doug! Its always nice to see a local met. here.

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Yeah, it would be nice to see some snow showers or flurries, I doubt it will happen though. It would help get me in the Christmas spirit, that's for sure.

I was reading your month long blog, Joplinmet. I see you are having mole problems. A year or two ago I had a similar problem. I tried the mole poison, mole traps and finally got them to leave by using the sonic mole sticks. You stick them in their tunnel and it buzzes at a set amount of time and for some reason they decided to leave after a week or so. Have not seen one since.

We really need some more active weather.. lol

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It is such an small upper level wave that gets so quickly wrapped up into the eastern trough. Maybe we will see a few snow showers, we will see. If you guys remember the bomb that was in October, that part of our pattern will repeat in just under 2 weeks. The models are having a hard time picking up on it. Now the chances of this being a power house system like it was last time is about 1 and a million. However, there is hope that we could see a wet system. I would be happy with some decent rains. There just hasn't been a ton of action over the past couple of months.

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It is such an small upper level wave that gets so quickly wrapped up into the eastern trough. Maybe we will see a few snow showers, we will see. If you guys remember the bomb that was in October, that part of our pattern will repeat in just under 2 weeks. The models are having a hard time picking up on it. Now the chances of this being a power house system like it was last time is about 1 and a million. However, there is hope that we could see a wet system. I would be happy with some decent rains. There just hasn't been a ton of action over the past couple of months.

the repeat pattern you mentioned...is that the system the 10 day euro/ggem are hinting at?

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the repeat pattern you mentioned...is that the system the 10 day euro/ggem are hinting at?

Yes, that would be the system that the Euro is hinting at. This would come in next weekend. However, I think we will be hard pressed to see any snow or much of it. But at least it is right on course.

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Model watching season. I've included links to some of the models and when they start and finish. All times are central time and approximate from when I remember them.

00z NAM

http://www.nco.ncep....wprod/analysis/

Starts @ NCEP @ 7:45 PM

I don't really pay a whole lot of attention to when it ends. Around 9-9:15ish I guess.

00z GFS

http://www.nco.ncep....wprod/analysis/

Starts @ NCEP @ 9:30 PM

Out to 180 hours by 10:30 PM

Ends @ 10:45 PM

00Z GGEM (Canadian) (black and white maps)

http://www.weatherof...t/global_e.html

Not sure when it starts as I am usually looking at the GFS

Ends around 11:15 PM

00z Euro

http://greatlakes.sa...mouth_page.html

Starts at Plymouth around 11:55 PM

Can see out to 240 on:

http://www.ecmwf.int.../msl_uv850_z500

Finishes around 12:50 AM

Updates slowest but better maps:

http://www.meteo.psu.../ecmwfloop.html

06z NAM

http://www.nco.ncep....wprod/analysis/

Starts @ NCEP @ 2:45 AM

I don't really pay a whole lot of attention to when it ends.

06z GFS

http://www.nco.ncep....wprod/analysis/

Starts @ NCEP @ 3:30 AM

Out to 180 hours by 4:30 AM

Ends @ 4:45 AM

12z NAM

http://www.nco.ncep....wprod/analysis/

Starts @ NCEP @ 7:45 AM

I don't really pay a whole lot of attention to when it ends.

12z GFS

http://www.nco.ncep....wprod/analysis/

Starts @ NCEP @ 9:30 AM

Out to 180 hours by 10:30 AM

Ends @ 10:45 AM

12Z GGEM (Canadian) (black and white maps)

http://www.weatherof...t/global_e.html

Not sure when it starts as I am usually looking at the GFS

Ends around 11:15 AM

12 Euro:

http://greatlakes.sa...mouth_page.html

Starts at Plymouth around 11:55 AM

Can see out to 240 on:

http://www.ecmwf.int.../msl_uv850_z500

Finishes around 12:50 PM

Updates slower but better maps to 240:

http://www.meteo.psu.../ecmwfloop.html

18z NAM

http://www.nco.ncep....wprod/analysis/

Starts @ NCEP @ 2:45 PM

I don't really pay a whole lot of attention to when it ends.

18z GFS

http://www.nco.ncep....wprod/analysis/

Starts @ NCEP @ 3:30 PM

Out to 180 hours by 4:30 PM

Ends @ 4:45 PM

In addition I take a look at the GFS ensemble mean located here (comes out pretty quickly after the GFS finishes):

http://raleighwx.ame...fsensemble.html

Then I check out the individual GFS ensemble members which are located here (the 6,12,18z models all come out pretty quickly, the 00z is delayed until after the Euro finishes even):

http://www.meteo.psu.../ewallmref.html

The NAM seems to update quicker on:

http://www.twisterdata.com/

But the GFS is much slower. Snowfall maps are located on that site as well. NAM has composite reflectivity on that site.

When there is a chance of severe weather, I look at the SREF on the SPC page:

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/sref/

And the SPC WRF

http://www.emc.ncep....nt4km/conus/00/

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You have a great list of different models. I use the ncep models, nexlab, rap.ucar and pen states. Those are the ones that I usually look at. Most of the time it is the ncep models. They seem to come out the quickest.

Yeah, The one at http://www.twisterdata.com has a quick update on the NAM when it is coming out, it's also in 3 hour increments and has the composite reflectivity. However, the NAM is kind of 'meh' as a model and I don't trust it until it's within 24-48 hours.

Horrible looking eastern trough on the Euro. NW Flow is such a bore around here. :(

Let's get to the good part of the pattern.

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