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5 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

Oh, I think I know what he means now. He means 0.86% of all 85+ year olds have been hospitalized with covid, regardless of whether or not they had covid. Which I believe, though it’s also largely immaterial.

That is the number I saw, it was a quick search. Agreed it’s not the best number to use. 
 

Any clue what the overall actually is for confirmed cases?

6 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

Deleted my post because I don’t want another knock down drag out about unrelated political issues like we had in here the other night, but suffice to say both sides of the media sell “panic porn and fear” about various issues and instill irrational fears into people, and if I remember correctly from reading about that poll, Republicans grossly underestimated the hospitalization rate. So it goes both ways.

That really is an unbelievable stat. That’s a sickening overestimation and so incredibly misinformed. The highest hospitalization rate I could find is .86 percent for 85+.... so I think I’m going to go out on a limb and say there’s not a whole lot of room for error on the downside. 

13 minutes ago, Powerball said:

Agreed.

We get it. A healthy lifestyle can reduce the risk of contracting COVID and experiecing severe symptoms.

But we don't have to keeping hearing it 27 times over again from the same person(s), who in all truthfulness is probably just trying to humblebrag. 

Lol

ETA: You and a couple other people attaching personal narratives to everything is what starts these huge derailments in this thread. 

1 hour ago, Stebo said:

Obviously you'd rather be healthy, but some here are treating it as if it is the magic bullet, it is just like the equivalent of SC not having covid earlier in the thread. Just like it wasn't raining gold there it isn't raining tread machines here.

I don’t think it’s a magic bullet but I think for a lot of people it reduces the chances of severe covid to an “acceptable” risk level (flu like risk level for young/healthy/no pre existing health conditions). 

5 minutes ago, Powerball said:

First of all, there are notable differences culturally and demographically between countries like the UK and US to suggest what happens there will also happen here.

But also, the "data" you're referencing is being hotly disputed by scientists. 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/09/ucl-team-claim-covid-19-herd-immunity-achieved-uk-disputed-scientists

Like what? What countries are closer?

Come on man... the "data" isn't being hotly disputed, just the interpretations of that data. Data is hard facts. 

2 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

You’re right. Hiding the bad news from the public is never a good idea either.

Happy medium is maybe not discussing scientific hypotheticals as part of your messaging to the general public?

2 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

CDC finds less than 1 percent of fully vaccinated people got COVID-19

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/548440-cdc-5800-breakthrough-covid-19-cases-documented-among-millions-who-are?fbclid=IwAR21_N3d8TElv223lvgeTrCWX1ZMr2MHp3wbe6_mxYj_AtyXyIh7g5ni6_s

1 percent of the people who contracted breakthrough infections died.

So, if you get the vaccine, that is a .00008% chance of dying from the virus if you get the vaccine. 12500 to 1

Vaccinate everyone in the country, the most number of deaths that would occur would be 26400 (assuming a population of 330 million and everyone receives still gets the virus, which is impossible but never mind)

In others words, significantly less than die in a typical flu season.

Better throw the 2/335,000,000 people in there who would die from the vaccine just to make sure all your bases are covered in here 

1 minute ago, Powerball said:

I'd be interested to see if the individuals who are so gung ho about giving everyone vaccinated so quickly after crying about the lockdowns and mask mandates for the past 1+ year show that same energy if booster shots or additional doses are required several months/years from now. 

I tend to think the individuals in question are just using this as a rouse to force a return back to their own normal lives ASAP, and not legitimate ongoing concern about the health of others around them. But that's just my opinion

Why do you act like its a bad thing for people to be in a hurry to get their lives back to normal? The flip side of that is why are you so intent on NOT getting everyone's lives back to normal as quickly as possible? I am going to go out on a limb and say your response includes something along the lines of "I actually care about other people an nobody else does".

1 minute ago, TimB84 said:

Interesting that this information is coming from the Pfizer CEO in this respect.

Business is boomin. And answer is probably whenever the US government stops paying for it.

1 minute ago, Powerball said:

Ex-FDA Chief Sees 'Struggle' To Vaccinate More Than Half U.S. Population

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/04/14/987265125/ex-fda-chief-sees-struggle-to-vaccinate-more-than-half-u-s-population

 

 

When was the data for this? Some of the stuff shared the other day showed almost 50% already have at least one shot and increasing quickly.... and the number of people who would refuse a shot is probably shrinking as well.

1 minute ago, TimB84 said:

I agree wholeheartedly that there’s always incentive to get more physical activity and lose weight, pandemic or not. I just don’t know if psychologically “because covid is more likely to kill you if you get it when you’re obese” would be enough for the average overweight person to try harder.

I am sure you're right, people know being overweight increases their risk for mortality from every other leading cause of death (heart disease, cancer, diabetes) and that doesn't slow many down. 

1 minute ago, Hoosier said:

This is true.  I think there's still incentive to get more physical activity and lose weight though.  Besides the overall health benefits, there's at least some reason to think that the vaccine won't work as effectively in people who are very overweight.  So in particular for someone who is carrying a lot of extra pounds and is putting off getting the vaccine... maybe try to lose some weight in the meantime.  

We are a year in and half the country still doesn't have the vaccine, enough time for most people to make a dramatic improvement in their health. 

20 minutes ago, StormfanaticInd said:

 

What’s the IFR like over there?

2 hours ago, TimB84 said:

I’m obviously of the opinion that vaccine passports to attend sporting events, concerts, etc. are just fine and dandy. That said, I think there’s even more of a case to be made for having vaccine passports for international travel. Do we really want unvaccinated Americans or whatever country is having a surge at the time traveling to other countries and spreading covid? It’s one thing for unvaccinated people to spread it to other willfully unvaccinated Americans who know the risks they’re taking, but it’s an entirely different thing to go to Jamaica or Cancun or something and start an outbreak among people who haven’t even had the opportunity to get vaccinated.

Yes, there’s the argument that it discriminates against people in poorer countries with less vaccine access, but I can’t imagine a lot of people in these countries are jet-setting around the world.

I agree that it definitely makes sense for international travel

13 minutes ago, Powerball said:

Just to provide some context to this misleading and agenda-driven post:

1. The State of Michigan confirmed the director has been fully vaccinated.

2. The CDC's guidelines say it's ok for fully vaccinated people to travel.

3. We don't know what activities the director partaked in while on vacation. 

4. Michigan's current health director has not ordered or even recommended to Governor Whitmer (at least not on record) that the state lock down

Overblown for sure but still at its best a bad look. 

The people who are mad about pulling the vaccine are not the people who I thought would be mad about pulling the vaccine 

14 minutes ago, CorePunch said:

Whats the end game? Zero Covid cases? You have to assume that things ‘should’ be improved by the start of football. Vaccination rates should be well above 60%. There is an end game, there has to be. What is it? People are at their ends with all of this, especially the vaccinated. That number of people gets even larger every day. I see these restrictions being met with pushback. 

I agree with all of this man. The point of my post was to say there’s things we could have been doing like this the whole time. It’s like places cancelling fall football last spring and then people proved you could play football by testing people before games.
 

What’re the bills gonna do if Covid cases have dropped to background noise in the fall? Still require this rule because the decided to make a stand six months ahead of time? 

8 minutes ago, Powerball said:

That said, I do agree with what someone else said earlier.

While forcing NFL players to get vaccinated may be difficult at best, in fairness, fans should also be given the option to enter the stadium with a negative COVID test if they choose not to get vaccinated.

I think a lot of frustrations with restrictions are because they are blanketed like this. There’s no “common sense” reason to not allow covid negative people in the stadium with a negative test. Could have made people start doing that a long time ago and still had some events going on.

5 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said:

Sure. I feel like the county would have a real tough time to exert its influence over a NFL team in that way. The NFLPA would probably complain and take them to court. 

I dont know the rules and the legal but requiring a vaccine to play for the Bills (especially under an EUA) might be a bit different than requiring one for attending a game. 

Yeah that’s definitely getting into legal stuff above my head. You’d think if they could require a vaccine for entry to the stadium, they could apply that to players?

ETA: Could the bills sue the county for revenue they lose as well?

7 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said:

I mean maybe. I'd rather have everyone vaccinated lol. 

I think that’s his point 

Just now, Stebo said:

Enough with your resting heart rate bullshit, even if any of this is true, Covid doesn't care and you could easily get extremely sick. Just because you think you are healthy doesn't my you are superhuman. I get tired of you bringing up your personal heart rate as if that is a way to wash away your terrible positions with respect to covid. You have been doing this now for months and it is just as stupid now as it was then.

Pot meet kettle

3 hours ago, Malacka11 said:

It's true though. Infectious diseases literally evolve to infect you -to use your body as a host- and you think eating your veggies will stop a severe disease from rocking your world?

Look, my statement was a bit hyperbolized. Of course, being healthy is a must. Obviously, fat people will die at far greater rates from most diseases. But there comes a certain point on the healthiness scale, where no matter how much good food you eat, it won't help you any more. Your immune system is either impaired, or it isn't. And sure, exercise will lead to greater amounts of immune factors and all that, but all the same, it irks me when people say that eating right and being healthy will save you. It won't. 

But evidence has shown that for a lot of people it will, right? Not just diet and exercise, but the benefits of that, considered obesity is the number one comorbidity of covid? I’m not saying people should exercise instead of getting the vaccine. But there would be a lot less dead people from Covid in the western world if there a lot less fat people.  

38 minutes ago, Malacka11 said:

Diet and exercise do very little against infectious diseases. Fine, I'll buy in that your immune system is excellent, and that's great! But even the best immune system in the world will get shat upon by a virus like Ebola or smallpox. The reason you've remained healthy for so long is because as a species, we've invented technology and practices that limit disease spread. 

Don't call other people dumbasses and then follow it up with something like this. 

21 minutes ago, Malacka11 said:

I said it before months ago, and I'll say it again now:

I am a semi-elite runner. I know of at least two running buddies (both of whom are way, way, fitter than you think you are), both my age, who had Covid. The first is an idiot who got it at a party and was sick as hell for a week, and had lingering weakness for over a month. The other was also extremely sick for about two weeks and ended up with fears about heart problems, going back and forth to the hospital for various tests. He is just now, five months later, back to about the same fitness level he was at before. 

I don't care who the hell you think you are, or what you think your statistical chances are of getting sick; if you're not afraid of contracting this disease, you're a certified, grade-A dumbass. If you're scared of the vaccine but not the disease itself, then you're even dumber. 

Statistics don’t lie my man. I can give you probably three dozen anecdotal accounts of people I know my age or older, in worse shape, who had basically zero symptoms. 
 

I was an EOD tech in the Army. My personal risk tolerance is incredibly far away from wherever Covid ranks. 
 

ETA- if the stats don’t matter and worse case scenarios do, surely you can understand why people are scared of vaccines 

I get both sides. There’s a lot of younger healthy people that aren’t concerned about covid for themselves, and also aren’t scared of vaccines (myself included). To me, statistically, there isn’t a whole lot of reasons to be concerned for YOURSELF from either.