schoeppeya

1 hour ago, Hoosier said:

Hopefully remaining restrictions can go away soon.  A lot of states have had capacity limits on things (or even no indoor dining as you mentioned) and I think like 37 states had mask mandates at some point.  It was probably unrealistic to expect everything everywhere to change quickly even after the new CDC guidance came out.  We are sort of in a transition phase of pandemic life with places figuring out what to do.  Hopefully things look and feel different pretty soon.  imo it's going to be difficult even for a portion of vaccinated people to return back to a pre-covid type of life though.  May make for an interesting study in human behavior. 

I was back in OKC this last weekend-outside of grocery stores nobody was wearing masks. It felt pretty great. Maybe I shouldn’t be but I’m still pretty shocked at some restrictions in some places. The outdoor mask requirement deal in Hawaii is pretty crazy. 

5 hours ago, mattb65 said:

In just one month average daily cases dropped from  ~66,000, to ~34,000 and this has happened with people being much more sociable and active even in states with relatively lower levels of vaccination. The seasonal effects to suppress spread of the infection are very powerful this time of year and when you thrown on top of that strong negative pressure from 55-60% of the population having immunity from prior infection and vaccination - you get big time infection decay. It's perfectly logical why the CDC has decided now is the time to say ditch the masks if you've been vaccinated.

I'm going off of Lawyer Craig's numbers which I believe only include the 50 states and DC - they are often different from worldometers which includes puerto rico and other territories. On Worldo it's at 36,650 down from 72,300.

No signs that the decline is slowing down yet, if anything the decline has been gaining steam.

Sadly the lame Hawaii governor decided to keep in place the mask mandate including outdoors because he says there's no way to tell who is vaccinated or not. Really mind boggling - we are in the top 3 in rates of vaccination and top 3 lowest per capita case rate right now and he is not ready to implement CDC guidance. He's worried about  people being able to tell who is vaccinated or not, at this point, why does it matter? Over 59% of the entire population and over 70% of adults in Hawaii have gotten their 1st dose. Vaccines are widely available at no cost to anyone that want it. Sure, young children can't be vaccinated yet but follow the science here they don't get any more sick than they do from the hundreds/thousands of viruses they get exposed to all the time, ugh. This is the kind of stuff that really rubs people the wrong way.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2021/05/11/cdc-exaggerates-outdoor-transmission-rate-covid-19-experts/amp/
 

On the outdoor transmission subject. Stuff like this really should be inexcusable and absolutely destroys the credibility of the CDC. 

13 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

CDC came out with new guidance that vaccinated individuals can stop masking indoors in most situations.

This could put businesses in a tough spot.  If they keep a mask mandate, then people who are vaccinated aren't going to like it.  If businesses drop the mask mandate, then there will be unvaccinated maskless people who are pretending to be vaccinated.

My business dropped their mask mandate a month ago. Some people wear them, some don’t. It works. 

3 hours ago, MJO812 said:

Yikes

https://abc7ny.com/10602718/?ex_cid=TA_WABC_FB&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook

Big surge in Florida 

Thats not a big surge in Florida. Its a big surge in cases that consisted of variants as a percent of total cases.

2 minutes ago, Baum said:

This is a serious weather board. You must have stumbled in from Romper room.

Yup got lost there for a minute

Starting to think it never actually "warms up" in the Midwest. Going to be heading back into fall before we know it.

58 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

https://apnews.com/article/pandemics-india-united-states-coronavirus-pandemic-asia-3b5adbaf2a94f95b31664efe83807e80
Here’s an article from one of the most objective sources in media about how serious the pandemic is in India. If you consider the Associated Press radical leftist stuff, I don’t know what to tell you.

I shouldn’t have to break down every single post for you Barney style to keep you from misinterpreting or misdirecting what I am saying. Which is the vast majority of mainstream is left leaning and uses the exact same tactics the article you keep talking about does. Do I need to post the CNN director video for you? And, I specifically said the “rest of the world” as a counter to what’s happening to India, is there a way I can’t say that so it’s more clear to you?  I don’t need a lecture from you about centrism when every single post you make includes some underhanded shot at dipshits on the other side of the aisle from you. Which I have said, over and over, I am not. 

2 hours ago, TimB84 said:

So it’s the far-right New York Post using its own lack of credibility to make the public believe the pandemic in India is less severe than it actually is. That’s some next level stuff.

Almost like the far left media (so basically, the media) leading the public to believe the pandemic in the rest of the world is far deadlier/more severe than it actually is. 

16 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

And 5x the number of people in 1/3 the area. Yeah, I absolutely believe it. This is incredibly awful.

Some of the worlds biggest slums too. The perfect place for a virus to go crazy. 

1 hour ago, OSUmetstud said:

This is a hell of stretch. Political avatars having nothing to do with gun violence. Probably be better to find a liberal tell on people who far too scared of covid or something. 

Fair, just the first one that came to mind.

I'm going to make one of those that says "when you get shot in chicago" and the picture collage will be mugshots and see if you guys still think its funny.

2 minutes ago, mattb65 said:

Catching on to what?

Im with you here, if people havent realized the media sensationalizes headlines and stretches the truth for clicks I dont know what to say

14 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

Here is the CDC data on percentage of people who have received at least 1 dose of vaccine.  There is an obvious common link between the 10 worst states.  Some of them have double trouble in being very Republican and also having a relatively large % of African American residents, which are 2 groups that tend to be more vaccine hesitant.

 

42. West Virginia 
Number of people vaccinated with at least one dose: 632,161 
Percentage of population vaccinated with at least one dose: 35.27 

43. Indiana 
Number of people vaccinated with at least one dose: 2,351,172 
Percentage of population vaccinated with at least one dose: 34.92 

44. Arkansas 
Number of people vaccinated with at least one dose: 1,051,126 
Percentage of population vaccinated with at least one dose: 34.83 

45. Georgia 
Number of people vaccinated with at least one dose: 3,594,066 
Percentage of population vaccinated with at least one dose: 33.85 

46. Tennessee 
Number of people vaccinated with at least one dose: 2,286,642 
Percentage of population vaccinated with at least one dose: 33.48 

47. Idaho 
Number of people vaccinated with at least one dose: 595,128 
Percentage of population vaccinated with at least one dose: 33.3 

48. Wyoming 
Number of people vaccinated with at least one dose: 192,439 
Percentage of population vaccinated with at least one dose: 33.25 

49. Louisiana 
Number of people vaccinated with at least one dose: 1,479,847 
Percentage of population vaccinated with at least one dose: 31.83 

50. Alabama 
Number of people vaccinated with at least one dose: 1,546,659 
Percentage of population vaccinated with at least one dose: 31.54 

51. Mississippi 
Number of people vaccinated with at least one dose: 898,809 
Percentage of population vaccinated with at least one dose: 30.2

How’re those states doing with Covid numbers right now 

19 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

For a fringe group that is largely dismissed by the vast majority of society (and whose positions mostly aren’t based in fact), the anti-vax movement sure seems to be able to control the narrative when they want to. I imagine people with little to no medical knowledge are scouring these databases of side effects that may or may not have been vaccine-related and pressuring officials to investigate. It’s ridiculous.

There's no "fringe groups controlling the narrative", there's media using inflammatory language to get clicks and engagement. 

2 hours ago, Powerball said:

Actually, I'm mistaken. the latest was actually 6/12.

But that was definitely a back loaded Summer, as DFW ended up with 18 100*F+ days. 

My (natural gas companies) in house meteorologists are thinking a hot summer right now, I think based primarily on 2011 analog. Haven’t bought in to that yet, probably because I hate hot summers 

48 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

Had any thoughts about leaving during all of this?

14 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

I’m certainly aware of this, but it’s yet another opportunity to smear Texas. But those opportunities are low hanging fruit these days.

Smear for what? They're doing better than a lot of places and are more open than a lot of places... that fact just makes some people's heads explode. 

1 hour ago, OSUmetstud said:

I thought this was kinda interesting. I know there is extreme age-stratified risk on Covid, but some of the "less dangerous than flu for kids" thing is way overstated. In terms of hospitalizations, it looks like COVID blows seasonal flu out of the water.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2016-2017.html

There was about 34K hospitalization under 17 along with 251 deaths

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html

There was about 137k hospitalizations under 17 as of the end of December. There's been 258 deaths confirmed so far. 

 

With roughly twice as many total (confirmed) covid cases for covid, you’re more likely to be hospitalized but half as likely to die? Seems less dangerous than the flu to me?

2 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

Facebook is a ****ing cesspool and Twitter isn’t much better, though the wife doesn’t have a Twitter account so I can at least argue with people on there without getting judgment from her when it inevitably gets blasted into her newsfeed like it does on Facebook.

I have neither. Which is probably why I am here debating Covid. Lol

16 minutes ago, Powerball said:

Yes it is vague, because a literal interpretation of "below 10K" could mean anywhere from 0 cases to 9,999 cases per day (massive range).

At least saying "well below 10K" can be interpreted to mean the number would not be near the high end of that range.

Lol

I can't believe people are still getting their news from social media. Or really.... media. 

1 minute ago, OSUmetstud said:

Lol yeah. They do an estimate for age groups. 65+ is about 20 percent. 

Not surprising since they make up close to 50% of hospitalizations.... its scary for that age group.

I would have guessed 1-2% hospitalization rate overall so definitely fits my bias of underestimating it. 

1 minute ago, OSUmetstud said:

This is the estimate for all infections. 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html

4.1 million for 83 million infected. Approximately 2 percent. 

Man I JUST posted something that took me a while to dig for and find numbers... this would have been a lot easier lol. At least they match up.

Ok so had to do a little digging for this and just use dates that I could find matching hospitalizations and total case numbers for. As of November 18, there had been 906,849 Covid hospitalizations in the U.S. compared to a confirmed 11.5 million cases for a hospitalization rate of 7.8%. However, dozens of studies suggest an undercount of 3-4x total cases at this time, which would support an overall hospitalization rate of 2.6% to 1.9%. I'd like to be able to break that down by age but am having a hard time finding the raw data. 

16 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

I don’t always agree with @schoeppeya but I at least know he tries to argue in good faith and give him the benefit of the doubt when trying to figure out what he’s talking about.

I believe the number I pulled was overall. Probably not the best to use. 
 

It’s still hard to believe that much of the left is that uninformed. I guess even though we all don’t agree in here we are part of our own echo chamber that is (primarily) using data to debate points. But, maybe this helps highlight why I get so frustrated with the messaging surrounding covid and some of the messaging in this thread that insists on worst case scenario outcomes.