14 minutes ago, Stebo said:

You aren't worthy of being missed, a parasite on this thread which you almost exclusively have posted in.

Love it

8 minutes ago, Stebo said:

It takes until they know someone dying before they realize and even then some still call it a flu, which it isn't. These last several pages have been filled with nonsense from deniers that shouldn't have free range to spew their shit.

The fact of the matter is these are same idiots who refuse to get the shot and will cause this virus to remain active until they do.

Missed you 

1 minute ago, winterwx21 said:

I post the rt.com link where they talk about the study. If you do a google search you see lots of articles on this recent large study.

"“Excess weight is a modifiable risk factor, and investment in the treatment of overweight and obesity and long-term preventive strategies could help reduce the severity of Covid-19 disease,” they wrote. "

"The research adds to a growing list of scientific literature pointing to a correlation between weight and likelihood of severe Covid-19. A study published last year in Nature found that obesity significantly increased the risk of coronavirus-linked death. People with a BMI over 40 were at 92% higher risk of dying from the virus compared with people with a healthy BMI between 18.5-25."

A few more highlights.

21 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said:

I meant to post this study earlier.

Body Mass Index and Risk for COVID-19–Related Hospitalization, Intensive Care Unit Admission, Invasive Mechanical Ventilation, and Death — United States, March–December 2020. (2021). 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7010e4.htm

ARR for death is 2.01 under 65 for BMI > 45 

ARR for death is 1.50 over 65 for BMI > 45

 

"Among 71,491 patients hospitalized with COVID-19 (48.1% of all COVID-19 patients), 34,896 (48.8%) required ICU admission, 9,525 (13.3%) required invasive mechanical ventilation, and 8,348 (11.7%) died. Approximately 1.8% of patients had underweight, 28.3% had overweight, and 50.8% had obesity."

So 79% of hospital patients were overweight. And the ARR you provided just reflects severely obese patient mortality. Its significantly higher for higher BMI's in every category, include nearly doubling the risk of being put on a ventilator. 

And, to your 65 and older comments-also from the study you posted:

"Consistent with previous studies, the dose-response relationship between risk for hospitalization or death and higher BMI was particularly pronounced among patients aged <65 years (1,2). However, in contrast to previous studies that demonstrated little or no association between obesity and COVID-19 severity among older patients (1,2), the results in this report indicate that overweight and obesity are risk factors for invasive mechanical ventilation and that obesity or severe obesity are risk factors for hospitalization, ICU admission, and death among patients aged ≥65 years. A sensitivity analysis adjusting for other underlying medical conditions found weaker associations between BMI and severe COVID-19–associated illness, which might be partially attributable to indirect effects of obesity on COVID-19 or overadjustment by including intermediate variables on the causal pathway from exposure (i.e., BMI) to outcome."

And finally:

"These findings highlight the clinical and public health implications of higher BMIs, including the need for intensive COVID-19 illness management as obesity severity increases, promotion of COVID-19 prevention strategies including continued vaccine prioritization (6) and masking, and policies to ensure community access to nutrition and physical activities that promote and support a healthy BMI."

2 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said:

Order of magnitude less consequential? That's a lie given the risk association with obesity and covid. The biggest risk by far is age. 

Vaccines prevent disease. They are not a band aid. 

Obesity is the largest co-morbidity of Covid. Obesity triples your likelihood of being hospitalized from coved. You cant control age, you can control obesity. Vaccines prevent covid, they don't cure fatness. 

29 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

I certainly don’t wish otherwise. You used to argue in good faith, what changed?

Sorry for the cheap shot, it was wrong of me. Posts edited. 

12 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said:

So full of shit. 

 

Cool. 

Being overweight increases your chances of mortality for literally every leading cause of death. None of which the Covid vaccine is protectionary for. So yes, it is a bandaid in the sense that it will prevent Covid from killing you, but it will not prevent you from dying from the primary covid co mordbidity.

So full of shit.

21 minutes ago, Malacka11 said:

The pandemic is not over, and it is seriously screwed up to insinuate that someone in here wants it to continue. As long as there are thousands of people with the disease, technically, there is still a pandemic. 

And yes, agreed, the obesity epidemic is also a scientific view. I don't think anyone else said otherwise, so I don't know why you're touting this as some sort of big aha-gotchu moment.

If thats the only qualification you can add the the long list of hundreds of other pandemics ongoing in the country. 

There is undeniably a certain type of person who has enjoyed the side effects and shifts in cultural dynamics the pandemic has caused. 

There is also an undeniable sentiment every time it gets brought up thats its silly to expect people to get in shape. 

16 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

“Vaccines work and everyone (with very few exceptions) should get them” isn’t a political view, it’s a scientific one.

"carrying excess bodyfat is unhealthy and a tax on the healthcare system and everyone  who is overweight (with no exceptions) should lose weight isn't a political view, its a scientific one"

1 hour ago, TimB84 said:

Unvaccinated people are the foremost reason it’s going to continue. So it’s the same argument.

It’s not continuing. The pandemics over. 

41 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

I know the P.1 variant (Brazil) has shown more of an ability to reinfect people who previously had covid.  That variant has not really taken off in a big way in the US so far though.  Personally I don't think "I already had covid" is a solid reason to never get the vaccine, but for people who had covid, maybe delaying it is warranted.

As far as overweight people, I think we have to separate this out.  If you're massively obese (I'm talking like 300-400 pounds), there's not much of an excuse for that.  I don't care if you're poor and only have access to crappy quality food.  You're not going to get to that level unless you're frequently in a huge calorie surplus.  A lot more people are moderately overweight, and for some of them, it's not so easy to drop the pounds for various reasons.

Like too much food and not enough exercise?

28 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

I would guess that, of people who are unvaccinated, there is a greater portion whose reason is “because Bill Gates/ liberals/ microchips/ that chemical in fireflies/ some gobbledygook I read on Facebook” than whose reason is “because I’m healthy and don’t think I need it”. You’re giving the human race a lot of credit here.

You're wrong here and overgeneralizing a demographic that you disagree with politically. 

21 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

So you would say that “fat people are making this last longer than it needs to” is somehow a MORE logical position to take than “unvaccinated people are making this last longer than it needs to”? Yeah, we’re done here. Agree to disagree.

Why don’t you argue against what I’m saying instead of what you think I’m saying. Overweight people are one of the primary reasons (the foremost reason, actually) this pandemic was so impactful in the first place. 

5 hours ago, TimB84 said:

 My point is, nearly everyone would like life to get back to some semblance of normal at some point. Yeah, some of us (including me) would love to work mostly from home forever or not have people halfway up our ass in every public place we go to, but for me personally, people refusing to get vaccinated are prolonging the amount of time until I get to travel internationally again and prolonging the time I have to worry about the virus mutating into some form that my vaccine isn’t resistant against. So yeah, just as healthy people are resentful of overweight people, vaccinated people have just as much of a reason to be resentful of unvaccinated people. The logic is the same.

It’s not. You’re missing the point completely, actually. I think at this point anybody who isn’t vaccinated is probably screaming for things to get back to normal faster than anyone. 
 

On the bright side, the pandemics pretty much done with as far as my little world is concerned. Feels good. 

2 hours ago, mattb65 said:

More of a reason to be resentful.  Getting vaccinated is a much easier life change than changing from an unhealthy lifestyle to a healthy one. 

In the former you need to take a short amount of your day, endure a minor pain in the arm and maybe a couple days of feeling yucky. In the latter it's often an every day struggle and often comes with a lifetime of baggage for why someone has become unhealthy that needs to change. 

You’re talking about something that would have made the pandemic orders of magnitude less consequential- the pandemic cost us hundreds of thousands of lives it didn’t need to, and we won’t really know the economic implications of the policies we’ve executed for the next few years and even decades. And in the end, the vaccine might as well be a band aid for a lot of people in our country. And they will continue to slap more and more band aids on until there’s one that doesn’t work and being fat will still kill them in the end. 

Today has been a spectacular weather day in central Indiana. 

27 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

Same reason it’s completely rational for people who got the vaccine, no questions asked, to be resentful of people who won’t get it.

May be an over generalization but I don’t think most the people who aren’t getting the vaccine support restrictions. That’s not true in reverse.

8 hours ago, Malacka11 said:

I just feel like the whole mantra of people needing to lose weight to prevent death from Covid, no matter if it's valid or not, is a moot point because if you're already overweight then that means you're living with the fact that your lifespan is being dramatically shortened day by day, and that you're susceptible to a host of severe illnesses (diabetes, heart disease); ergo, Covid is not going to be the tipping point that convinces them to radically change their lives.

I think this is a good and valid argument here. But it’s also frustrating for people that do take care of themselves that their lives have been so impacted primarily (decisive word, I know) for those who don’t. 

2 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

ORD is considerably nw of downtown though.

Shows what I know about Chicago!

4 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

ORD has missed out on the heaviest rains today.  Since I posted this morning, there has been an additional 0.25", which means that up to another 0.15" can fall and it would still be in 3rd place.  Given the current radar, I like the chances of ORD not receiving more than 0.15" additional rain, but we'll see.

I’m very surprised the last couple hours of rain only added up to .25

ETA: looks like that was only through 6:51? Guess we will see where it shakes out!

7 hours ago, Hoosier said:

Not a lot of rain at ORD with the current system... only 0.24" so far.  

Today is likely the last chance of rain this month.  If 0.40" or less additional rain occurs, then the 2021 met Spring will have sole possession of 3rd driest on record.

Don’t think this aged well 

Could be an ugly look if that boundary gets pushed all the way down into the Tulsa area.

18 minutes ago, hawkeye_wx said:

Last week Walmart and Menards were 90% mask.  Today they are around 50%.

Very similar here. Huge drop over the weekend. 

2 hours ago, StormfanaticInd said:

Cases are declining very fast. I think we are just about ready ( maybe even ready now?)to do away with mask

About 50/50 at the grocery store today

6 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

99% of people develop antibodies after 2nd COVID-19 vaccine dose, UK study finds

Nearly 100 percent of people developed COVID-19 antibodies after receiving their second dose of the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccine in the U.K., according to new research from the National Health Service and University College London.

The preliminary findings, released May 14, are based on an analysis of 13,232 antibody samples from more than 8,500 people in England and Wales.

Researchers found 96.42 percent of study participants had antibodies 28 to 34 days after their first dose. This figure jumped to 99.08 percent seven to 14 days after their second dose.

Antibody positivity rates increased faster among people who received the Pfizer vaccine compared to the AstraZeneca vaccine, which has not been authorized for use in the U.S. Antibody rates were equivalent for both vaccines about four weeks after the first dose.

Antibody rates were lower with increasing age and among people with health conditions such as diabetes, heart disease and cancer, but nearly all study participants demonstrated high antibody levels after their second dose.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/99-of-people-develop-antibodies-after-2nd-covid-19-vaccine-dose-uk-study-finds.html?utm_campaign=bhr&utm_source=website&utm_content=latestarticles

I think there’s a real argument here that for a lot of people the second shot might not be worth the side effects if almost 97 percent have antibodies after the first shot