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Just now, TimB84 said:

What agenda do “some of us” have? Are people going to think we’re cool? Are we going to get laid tonight? Are we going to get a raise? All because we posted some extremist pro-mask, pro-vax stuff on a weather forum?! Inquiring minds want to know!

All things at the top of my agenda

4 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

Like I said, I’ve come to agree to disagree with you. The difference between you and dta is you’re arguing in good faith.

DTA is much more vaccine hesitant than me. I have zero concerns getting the vaccine. I hope everyone that wants it and needs it gets it. I just understand his point of view and dont think everyone needs to have the vaccine for us to get back to normal. 

This is fun keep going please

48 minutes ago, Malacka11 said:

Look. Again, this isn't even directed against you. Although I don't agree with everything you say, you engage in civil discourse better than I have, and I respect that. But some of the goobers in here are really just frightening, like dta who has verbatim said that masks lead to *more* infections (and I don't think it was sarcasm).

I don't get the mask thing and never will, but some people really, really hate them. My mom included (and I think @BuffaloWeather said he did too a couple pages back). EVEN IN the scenario they didn't help physically to stop the spread, I think they mentally help reassure people and that means a lot. And there's really no cost to wearing them. But, there isn't a whole lot of "anti-mask" rhetoric in this thread. @dta1984 has said a couple times he still wears one everywhere he goes. 

As far as the rest of the scary language... I think people just have to understand that people saying the government should be forcing people to get the vaccine at this point is equally scary to some people. And that's not even political (for me at least). Just for a little color on that-there are things that I LOVE in life that the future of depends on effective communication, rational thought, and science based arguments, because I am in the overwhelming minority of people who participate in those activities. The way you guys talk about some of this stuff using emotional rationalization scares me in the exact same way the anti mask or anti vaccine rhetoric scares you guys, because to me, it sets a precedent that I see as a pathway that could bring an end to my way of life. But, we have to find ways to talk about this stuff where we promote mutual respect and understanding instead of scaring each other when we disagree on something. 

4 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

I agree with that. Allocating vaccine shouldn’t be based on red state/blue state politics, it should be based on who needs it the most. But there is a narrative among people of certain political persuasions that  states with more lax restrictions are handling the pandemic better and fewer people in those states are getting sick, which is indisputably false. The virus is equal opportunity when it comes to infecting people.

I don't think the argument is "better" as much as "as well" as states with stricter restrictions. 

42 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

So if “number of global pandemics survived” is directly correlated to one’s knowledge of virology, is “number of thunderstorms survived” a valid measurement for one’s knowledge of meteorology?

There isn't anybody in here claiming to be experts in virology. The guy who keeps posting about "virology" and "science" hasn't posted a scientific reference since I have been following this thread. Again, you are for some reason obsessed with making it seem strange that people are talking about Covid in a Covid thread, while you are also hanging out in the Covid thread. Go talk about weather if you feel so strongly that's what everyone should be doing here. In case you haven't noticed, its the biggest thing doing on in the world right now and for a lot of us, our lifetimes. People are going to be talking about it on any of the normal platforms they visit in any place that is designated for them to do so. It would be weird if they didn't. 

Anyways. Scheduled for the vaccine May 21st. 

9 hours ago, Malacka11 said:

The issue is that the same people who lurk because they "don't know much about the weather" somehow think that they are entitled to voice their opinions in here when they clearly know even less about virology. 

Everybody here has been through the exact same number of global pandemics 

5 minutes ago, dan11295 said:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3867475/

It is important to remember pandemics often differ from each other in duration, severity and most effected populations.  The 1890 pandemic (generally assumed to be influenza but coronavirus OC43 has recently been suggested as a cause) occurred in waves over 3 separate years.

Interesting read.

12 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

So today was the first day without the state mask mandate in IN.  Went to the grocery store to get a few things.  The store still requires masks but I was wondering if I was going to see anybody without one.  Everybody in the store was wearing one.  Granted I was in there for a short amount of time and it is just one location, but it looked and felt exactly the same as before.

There was maybe two or three at work walking around without one, same as before otherwise. I’ve got friends in Dallas that said nothing really changed there since the mask mandate ended. Other than baseball games, of course 

18 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

It’s relevant when the vast majority of someone’s posts on a WEATHER forum are in a thread about coronavirus.

Imagine scolding someone for posting about coronavirus in a thread titled “coronavirus”. You’re here too, posting, you know. 

1 minute ago, Hoosier said:

We'll certainly be a lot better off by then, but I feel this could be a bit overly optimistic.  Without vaccines/mitigation measures, the R₀ of covid is substantially higher than the estimates for the Spanish Flu (particularly with some of the covid variants).  Of course we have vaccines this time which helps a lot.  But there will be a portion of adults who do not take the vaccine, and it will likely be months until kids under 16 can receive the vaccine, with some evidence suggesting that the variants infect kids easier than before.

We care about deaths though, right?

1 hour ago, StormfanaticInd said:

I am neither. I am independent. I just want whats best for America. Politics is destroying our country which is greiviously sad. We have taken common sense issues and made it all liberal vs conservative. I HATE POLITICS 

Really, in the end, I think we all just want Covid to be over with (the sane people). Just a lot of disagreements on how to get there and how long to take to get there. I truly completely agree with you that at this point the vaccine is the fastest way there. 

2 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

Good lord. Step away for a couple hours and someone with 11 posts and someone else who felt like going on a tirade against “liberals” hijacked the thread. There’s a reason I’m sticking to discussing covid here and not talking about things like Greg Abbott not throwing out the first pitch at the Rangers’ home opener because he’s salty about a decision that doesn’t even affect Texas. But hopefully a fair number of those 40,000 fans are vaccinated.

You are obsessed with post counts 

Just now, Chambana said:

Typical liberal. Because CNN or MSNBC refuses to acknowledge a border crisis, you take it as a conspiracy theory. 

He’s annoying but you’re gonna get this thread locked with that type of stuff

2 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

I know what I read.  I will find it come hell or high water.  Also important to point out that an undercount of deaths doesn't necessarily mean it's because of an orchestrated conspiracy.  Could be an innocent reason.

True!

2 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

Regarding Florida, I can't find it now but I read something maybe a couple weeks ago that suggested that the death toll there was underreported by several thousand.  Anyone else remember reading something like that?  Again I can't find that story right now for some reason but may look for it again later when I have more time.

You don’t like that would be front page news on every media station, especially considering the political party of their governor? If there were evidence there were misrepresentations of deaths, we would know about it. 

1 minute ago, StormfanaticInd said:

Plenty of proof but I'm not going to waste my time in a futile effort to convince you guys

If you have proof we will be convinced, no? That’s the joke, you don’t have to convince us and you can just pretend like we are the crazy ones. 

Just now, BigHoss said:

Prove it.

Just because it doesn’t fit the doomsday narratives that you seem to get off on doesn’t make it true.

Again - it’s hard believing that some of you ACTUALLY want life to return to normal with posts like these. Seems that some go out looking for the worst news possible to justify their “new normal” anti-social lifestyle. Scary almost.

They don’t. Lauding their faux moral superiority makes them feel important. Why would they want that to end?

9 minutes ago, StormfanaticInd said:

It is well known that Florida is hiding the real numbers and texas may be as well

Proof?

1 minute ago, Stebo said:

You have no idea about the dynamic around here or why I even called out the post I did. Sit down

Just messin with ya, boss. Deep breaths. We will all get through it. 

14 minutes ago, Stebo said:

You saying this is just absolutely hilarious, next level funny.

Don't lie, you've never laughed before.

18 minutes ago, mattb65 said:

I appreciate the diversity of opinion and background in the vaccine discussion and my opinion is that no one is expressing their views entirely in bad faith as a full blown troll trying to get a rise out of someone.  There are some that most certainly do this sometimes. 

I wanted to share a really thorough Twitter thread from a reputable source that discusses a lot of what is at stake for people choosing to get vaccinated or not vaccinated.  Some of it is a review on herd immunity thresholds. 

In particular,  I think this part of the thread is applicable to assume if the discussion about whether a low risk individual choosing not to get vaccinated will have a larger impact. 

 

 

Thank you for providing this-I've asked question 29 about ten times without a response. I don't want to go down the "herd immunity" rabbit hole but I have seen estimates anywhere from 70-90% for Covid. I think we will get there between vaccines and antibodies. 

11 minutes ago, StormfanaticInd said:

I laughed out loud. Drop your deuces inside of bags people, it saves lives. 

8 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

Assuming you really mean actual medical professionals, I’ll give you that. I was having an argument with an anti-masker/anti-lockdown person/anti-vaxxer (can’t remember which, they’re all the same to me) on Facebook a number of months back and her response was “I work in the medical field so I would know.” A quick glance at her profile and it turns out she was a receptionist at a f***ing chiropractor’s office! As in, someone who would know little more about medicine than anyone else.

A few years ago I was talking about vaccines with a coworker-they were anti vax back when it was a hipster/suburban mom fringe movement to be anti vax. His wife was a nurse at a hospital and one of her doctors was supposedly the ones feeding her the anti vax info. He also tossed out the "my wife is in healthcare" line. 

6 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said:

The problem here is that basic factual arguments are now somehow become political. "Well, that's my view." When did the science behind masks and the science behind vaccines become political? It's literally not. Its about scientific evidence. 

That's entirely my point.