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I get both sides. There’s a lot of younger healthy people that aren’t concerned about covid for themselves, and also aren’t scared of vaccines (myself included). To me, statistically, there isn’t a whole lot of reasons to be concerned for YOURSELF from either. 

14 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

I know it’s just an example, but imagine how well that would go over with the segment of the population that disparages Bill Nye for not being a “real scientist” but has no problem with Dr. Phil, Dr. Oz, or Dr. Seuss.

Just stop making scientists the mouthpiece for policy and problem is solved. (No, i'm not saying scientists shouldn't be responsible for helping advise and direct policy).

6 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

It’s really hard to take an argument, or the person presenting it, seriously when one refers to a guy with an MD from an Ivy League university as a “clown.”

I don’t think he’s a clown. But I do think he’s on a path to not finishing the pandemic in a favorable light. 

7 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

That will still be countered with gerrymandering and laws (that would have been unconstitutional with any Supreme Court but the current one) designed to make sure fewer people vote. Georgia is writing the playbook that Texas, Florida, and NC will use.

There’s plenty of states with stricter voting laws than Georgia (including democratic ones).

1 minute ago, StormfanaticInd said:

Situation is starting to become dire. Smh Haven't had to say that word in a while. Not good

There's still not a lot of explanations that make sense for what's going on there... I know people have said variants are responsible but aren't the variants everywhere now?

22 minutes ago, Powerball said:

You said I called *PEOPLE* silly, which was another lie.

Why do you insist on spreading more falsehoods and moving goal posts?

No, I said "people WERE silly", meaning people WERE unrealistic, which is the same as "it is unrealistic" or "it is silly". They're interchangeable phrases you dolt. 

Again, you came into this thread and didn't get the standing ovation you were expecting, and now you're arguing semantics in an attempt to save face but actually just embarrassing yourself further. 

Of all the buffoons that have served as the squeaky wheel in this thread, you've got to be the biggest. 

Anyways, back to your regularly scheduled "propaganda." 

2 minutes ago, Powerball said:

lol.

I've heard everything now.

Words related to silly in merriam webster: unrealistic.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/silly Since you need it. 

Are you done yet?

8 minutes ago, Powerball said:

I didn't call anyone silly. Don't put words in my mouth.

I said it was completely unrealistic, and given that *ALL* people won't even be close to *FULLY* vaccinated by the Summer, my opinion still stands that the idea we'll be maskless by the Summer is completely unrealistic. 

Saying something is "completely unrealistic" is equivalent to saying it's silly. You're arguing semantics.

See how easy it is to disagree with someone without making accusations of "pseudoscience", bad faith, and ill intentions?

7 minutes ago, Powerball said:

You posted that 80% of people are vaccinated.

That's not true, and most definitely misleading if you meant to say something else.

For you to claim you got that information from the CDC, who said nothing of the sort, is also dishonest.

My 80% was in reference to this summer, because in your post I quoted, you said people were silly to expects no masks by "the summer". That' not misleading, its called you lacking reading comprehension-ironic that you were passing judgment on others for that. I got that information from @BuffaloWeather who was extrapolating data he got from the CDC. 

10 minutes ago, Powerball said:

For your information, this is the post I was referring to:

Again, the CDC has said nothing of the sort.

Furthermore, the poster you're referring to has been moving the goal posts. This is what they originally said (and BTW, they didn't specify they were talking about people age 16+ in this post):

In any event, this is what the CDC has actually said:

1. Individuals are not fully vaccinated until they receive 2 doses.

2. Their definition of herd immunity accounts for people of *ALL* ages being *FULLY* vaccinated. 

3. The herd immunity threshold is still unknown.

I don't know what you're trying to gain from running interference for people who are not being truthful and instead seek to mislead. But just know that covering for propagandists never ends well for you. 

You're arguing that I said "vaccinated" instead of "fully vaccinated" and therefore trying to mislead people? I know I have come after quite a few people for name calling, but arguing with a bunch of pro vax people in a Covid thread that they are not pro vax enough or claiming they are purposefully misleading people with their CDC references and cited information makes you a dipshit, and calling out reasonable people who have been very hard on people actually spreading disinformation for "covering for propagandists" makes you look like a dumbass, not the white knight you think it does. 

2 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

How naive of me to forget that the human race is comprised mostly of s***heads whose main objective in life is to s*** on other people every chance they get.

This thread is my daily reminder. 

2 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

But in all seriousness, I guess it’s not all that far-fetched that situations like that could happen in the United States. Based on everything that has happened throughout history, if something can be used to discriminate against people, it probably will.

Agreed. I think in our current political climate a reason to divide people even further is probably a bad idea. 

Had anyone died from Covid after getting their first dose?

38 minutes ago, Powerball said:

No, they are not.

Instead, you have a bunch of people in an echo chamber who are only hearing what they want to hear and taking bits and pieces of information out of context because they're so desperate for life to return back to the normal they had grown accustomed to in 2019.

I get it, times have been trying. But the fact of the matter is, as a nation we still have a long ways to go before the coronavirus no longer dictates the way we live. 

 

 

 

If you think this place is an echo chamber you haven’t been here long. 
 

Sports and every other major event plan on being full capacity in the fall. I’ll be vaccinated and I’ll be there, along with 80k other people (per game) You keep doing you though. 
 

And, you want to talk about misinformation? How about acting like being vaccinated doesn’t prevent you from dying from Covid, which is really all that matters. Or, that there’s any good reason not to live life like normal when everybody who wants the vaccine has gotten it. Because as far as I can tell the only reason you came in here to spread your self righteous bullshit. 

5 minutes ago, Powerball said:

I never said that.

I do, however, take issue with people spreading false information about the virus like several individuals are doing in this thread.

You’re talking about the people providing cdc/government links for everything they are posting. 

5 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

This isn't going to work out well at the end. People are becoming antsy to go out and enjoy life.

Hey well if wearing his mask until summer 22 makes him feel warm and fuzzy inside, he can go right ahead and do so. Won’t be many people joining in though. 

3 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

I said vaccinated not fully vaccinated. 1 dose offers 80% protection. 

There's no use arguing with somebody who thinks we need restrictions until there is a zero percent chance anyone can catch covid or have symptoms. 

5 minutes ago, Powerball said:

Perhaps reading isn't your strong suit either.

I'm not sure what "severe disease as defined by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)" means, but this part is definitely clear (which the original poster conveniently omitted in their citation):

"This vaccine is 95.3% effective against severe COVID-19 as defined by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)."

So like I said, you can still catch the virus and suffer from severe symptons despite being vaccinated. A vaccine merely reduces the chances of that happening (not eliminate them). In the case of the Pfizer vaccine, it seems to greatly reduce those chances (but still not eliminate them). However, Pfizer that's only one of several vaccines that Americans are taking. 

It's has been, so far, 100% percent effective at preventing death (and I believe hospitalizations thus far). 96% of people not getting seriously sick isn't good enough for you?

3 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

Incorrect. The vaccines protect 100% against severe illness. 

The vaccine was 100% effective against severe disease as defined by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-confirm-high-efficacy-and-no-serious#:~:text=The vaccine was 100% effective,and Drug Administration (FDA).

@Powerball  Anything else I don't understand?

3 minutes ago, Powerball said:

Since you asked, because despite the pseudoscience being peddled by some in this thread, it's completely unrealistic to expect "no more masks" by the Summer. 

At the earliest, Summer 2022 is when things will be "normal" across much of the country.

Depends what you call "much of the country". Good luck expecting people to keep wearing masks when 80% of them have been vaccinated and deaths are extremely low. 

10 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

I wonder if a lot of business move overseas with the increasing tax hike coming. From 21-28%? 

I have a feeling the corporations that managed to pay zero taxes when they were 21% will still mange to pay zero taxes when they are 28%

6 hours ago, Hoosier said:

I thought it was actually over 200 child deaths so far.  I recall someone posting that number somewhere.

My point had more to do with reaching a semblance of herd immunity in the US.  You hear these numbers thrown out there that it may take 70%, 80%, etc through a combination of vaccinations and prior infections.  If that's the case, that is quite a few months away.  Doesn't mean that things won't continue to get better in the meantime.

 Lot of those kids are going to have antibodies. Lots of them already do.

6 minutes ago, StormfanaticInd said:

This pandemic has exposed a major weakness in America. Hopefully we learn from this

Are you referring to the deep division that goes from average joes to the highest levels of government?

16 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

Real estate banter is better than fighting about masks.  

On the subject of the virus, it sounds like extra personnel but not extra vaccines are going to be sent to Michigan.  Interesting decision.

Surely that means they have some info that not all the vaccines they currently have are getting used? Seems strange. 

1 hour ago, TimB84 said:

Quick, what’s one of the biggest differences between Austin and most other parts of Texas?

Actually, let’s make that rhetorical. We’re way off topic and this is getting partisan and has little to do with covid.

The number of homeless people living in the downtown area?