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5 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

Over 100 million Americans have now received at least one dose of the coronavirus vaccine as of Friday, marking 39% of the adult population, according to CDC data. 

That's awesome. Proud of our country and the efforts we have made. 

14 minutes ago, WaryWarren said:

Dwight Schrute with another own goal lol

Edit: Weird how the people who are saying that those who wear a mask are afraid of the virus are then so afraid of a vaccine. It's always projection with these people.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjpmp7/anti-vaxxers-misuse-federal-data-to-falsely-claim-covid-vaccines-are-dangerous

I actually agree with you here. “Not gonna live in fear” while being scared to take a vaccine doesn’t make any sense.

6 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

Here’s another potential scenario for why people refusing to get the vaccine, and not having some form of vaccine passports in place, affects all of us:

A bunch of people refuse to get the vaccine. The virus spreads rampant through the unvaccinated population when people are allowed to gather in large groups again. The virus mutates into a form that the vaccine doesn’t protect against, and we’re back at square one. So yes, it makes me judgmental when people refuse to get the vaccine, the majority of whom are refusing it for illogical reasons.

That’s going to be happening outside of the United States for years and years and years to come. There’s going to be parts of the world that are still less than 10% vaccinated five years from now. You ok with not letting people in or out?

19 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

Trying to find the comment in question... is it “anti-vax sh*theads” or “I don't want people catching covid because of their own stupidity. Do you?”

I find neither to be all that extreme.

 

It’s a response to @Hoosier asking why he allows certain viewpoints to post. And if you consider the comments you quoted to support open minded conversations that you say you want , we are just never going to agree on anything. 
 

ETA: page 281. He’s also deleted some of his gems but you can still see them in quoted responses. 

57 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

I’m sure there are plenty of forums where you could talk about all coronavirus, all the time. Can’t say they’d be as generally civil as a weather forum, but I’m sure they’re out there. But I do think you severely underestimate the number of people in our society who believe that only the vaccinated should be able to enjoy certain activities with no restrictions.

I don’t feel I’m blindly backing the guy that has similar views to mine. Again, all I did was state that the particular view you called him out on at that moment isn’t extremist at all. I wasn’t speaking in general terms, maybe he has other views that some would call “extremist” but even if he does, that’s not what I was addressing at that time.

I doubt it was unprovoked.
 

Anyway, I’m done arguing this point. You both are entitled to your point of view, as is Stebo. My views may align more closely to his, but I’d generally prefer to be civil and open minded.

You once again just described the reason I’ve taken issue with Stebo. You can find the post he made a few pages back encouraging a mod to censor posts and viewpoints he doesn’t agree with. He’s degrading, disrespectful, and derogatory towards people who don’t share his point of view.

8 minutes ago, dta1984 said:

You do realize you just pretty much described stebo right?

I don’t understand dude. 

25 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

You’ve been on a weather forum for 7.5 years and have 45 posts about weather and roughly 140 about coronavirus. You’re not here to discuss weather, you’re here to discuss coronavirus (which is fine, if you’re not going around calling people losers because they have a different opinion from you). But of course he’s going to be skeptical of that pattern.

I read about the weather without posting because I don’t feel like I know enough to add anything valuable, generally. There’s a lot of people who know a lot more than me (Stebo included) that I learn a lot of information from. I don’t feel that way about this subject. This is a coronavirus thread,  so why does it matter?

You've consistently defended him (including right now, taking issue with me calling him a loser) when the entire reason I’ve repeatedly engaged with him is because he attacks groups of people and individuals on a personal level (calling them idiots, selfish, stupid) that he knows nothing about but take issue with me calling him a loser for doing so. Why?

ETA: since you’re already combing through my profile, why don’t you go back and read the comments I’ve responded to him on and see who is making personal attacks or using incendiary language, instead of jumping into a 292 page thread 280 pages in and blindly backing the guy you feel shares the same POV as you. 

10 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

I understand he’s a meteorologist. But I’m almost certain that makes him even more likely to understand that most of the general populace doesn’t put posting on weather forums on the list of “things that make someone cool.”

I’m not talking about what he thinks about the rest of the population. That’s exactly my point. I can assure you he’s not out in public or at work saying the stuff he’s saying, he’s posting it online on a weather forum where there are a couple other losers who agree with him and he feels cool/important. There is literally no other reason to bring up post counts. 

31 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

Do you really think anyone thinks posting a lot on a weather forum makes them cool? I would guess that’s a stretch for all of us. As in I don’t think any of us are deluded into thinking virtually anyone other than a meteorologist or fellow weather enthusiast would put posting on a weather forum on their list of “things that make a person cool.”

I think he does. Why else would he be using it as a point of reference? And he’s a red tag. AKA a meteorologist.

1 hour ago, TimB84 said:

Hey now, don’t lump me in with the other low post count people. I only jumped in when someone called your views “extremist.”

They are. And the fact that he thinks post counts are a reflection of the validity of anyone’s ideas is absurd and another addition in his long list of jack assery. Posting a lot on a weather forum doesn’t make you cool. I’d be willing to bet Stebo isn’t very good at social interactions in real life, hasn’t had any real responsibility or power in real life, and is enjoying his perceived ability to lord his moral high ground over people because it makes him feel powerful. It doesn’t, it just makes him and the few people who agree with him losers. The internet and your post count there aren’t real life. 

9 minutes ago, StormfanaticInd said:

Things are not as bad in America but the world as a whole is getting worse. Over 700k cases today and nearly 12k deaths

I think it’s going to look that way for the foreseeable future as long as we keep leading the vaccine numbers 

2 minutes ago, CorePunch said:

Europe’s vaccination rollout has been laughable. I count my blessings that Im a US citizen. 
 

I spoke with my physician earlier this week about getting the vaccine or not. I had C19 back in NOV and I called to ask if it’s appropriate to wait, or immediately get vaccinated...the answer was interesting. He recommended the J&J vaccine after 9 full months after C19 infection. 

Europeans on average have been more hesitant to get the vaccine than Americans as well. 

2 minutes ago, CorePunch said:

 

Do these lockdowns accomplish much. Other than roiling emotions, creating economic hardship and punting preventive medical procedures. This seems absurd IMO. Only time will tell. Because we will not fully grasp all of this for many years.

I think they undoubtedly lower cases in the immediate term. My problem with them thus far has been the moving target purgatory that follows the lockdown. As in, let’s use lockdowns to actually target hotspots and prepare emergency responses for the case load and then get as open as we can. Because I also think it’s pretty obvious the half open half closed stuff doesn’t do anything to actually slow anything down.

37 minutes ago, StormfanaticInd said:

Might be wise for America to slow down reopening everything just out of a abundance of caution 

Might have a hard time reversing momentum as long as cases remain low or steady in the states that have rolled things towards reopening 

Would they know if the majority of those cases were the Brazilian variant by now? What is happening there seems bizarre. 

2 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

This is America. What percentage of people who choose not to get the vaccine do you think are in great shape? Lol.

Hahaha. A lot less than a year ago and it wasn’t high to start with 

2 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

What percentage of our population consists of professional athletes? 0.01%, if that? You can’t compare the general population to a professional athlete who survived covid with no lasting effects.

He’s responding to a guy that tried to use professional athletes as a reference, not using that example himself. 

3 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

I’ll try to spend my afternoon working and not sitting on Twitter making a montage of all of the people with views on your side of the political aisle being keyboard warriors themselves, but it’s going to be tough. Keyboard warriors are prevalent on both sides of the aisle, and in no greater numbers on one side than the other.

They need a bigger like button for this one. This is literally the reason I’m arguing with Stebo and Co. FYI, my introduction to him in this thread was while primarily red states were spiking during the summer and he was going on and on about how it’s because they were red states where no one was wearing masks. At the time I lived in OKC and hadn’t seen anyone in public without a mask on in months. It was comical. Theres a better way to talk to the other side of the aisle then personally attacking them. People have to start AT LEAST challenging the squeaky wheels and emotionally driven arguments or they keep getting louder. Theres a better way to talk about all of this stuff. 

Just now, StormfanaticInd said:

One thing to remember is that this virus is an evolving situation with new variants popping up. With so much virus still out there it would be wise to get vaccinated as soon as possible 

I’m not even arguing that, I agree. I just don’t understand why you guys feel like it’s necessary to attack people who don’t feel like they have to get vaccinated immediately. 

50 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/03/few-pro-athletes-had-inflammatory-heart-disease-after-covid

https://www.news-medical.net/health/Long-term-Effects-of-COVID-19-in-Athletes.aspx

Almost all athletes have a much high risk of being hospitalized from a sports related injury than they do from covid. Should we stop the sports?

49 minutes ago, StormfanaticInd said:

Yall keep saying "high risk"  I know of several healthy individuals who got covid and became severely ill or died. Everyone is at risk period 

Yeah and I know personally over a dozen people who had either no symptoms or what amounted to sniffles and sneezes. Anecdotes don’t work here. 
 

It is a FACT that you have a better chance of dying in a car wreck than dying from covid if you are healthy and under 40. 
 

Not one of you who wants to act like I’m some asshole has even attempted to answer why it matter if someone gets the vaccine next month or next year when those who are most vulnerable have gotten it. 

1 minute ago, TimB84 said:

Make no mistake about it, I’m perfectly okay with COVID being added to the list of things that certain schools, colleges, countries, military, etc. require you to be vaccinated against.

As am I, and Im sure it will be at some point.

7 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

Of course it’ll be politicized, everything is. But yes, there needs to be societal pressure. I don’t have a lot of issue with businesses, particularly in the travel and hospitality industry, imposing restrictions on people who choose not to get the vaccine. I do have some qualms about the idea of vaccinated/non-vaccinated sections of restaurants like we did with smokers back in the day, simply because it would probably allow the virus to spread faster among non-vaccinated people if we herd them all into one section like that. (See, I’m not a monster.)

Somebody mentioned it yesterday but there is also a precedent for this. Attending schools, colleges, going to some countries, being in the military, etc. 

19 minutes ago, Stebo said:

What facts and numbers do you need to explain that getting vaccinated only helps you and others around you, no matter what. I mean Christ how many times does this need to be explained. Herd immunity isn't perfection, it isn't even great if this is an annual virus, in which case there may never be heard immunity. Its like what someone else said, people are using herd immunity as a crutch to do nothing.

Got it, because you say so. And no, most people aren’t. 

20 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said:

Theres definitely value in being over herd immunity. Herd immunity initially will not be particularly stable if there is open international travel. We could be looking at 2023 or 2024 until vaccines get around to the poorer areas of the world. There could be still pockets where there's more vaccine hesitancy so there's more outbreaks. Getting the most vaccinated as possible should be the goal. 

Again, agreed. But the bolded statement is what makes me critical about a lot of the viewpoints in here in relation to the big picture. In a few months we are going to be 40-60% vaccinated as a country and the rest of the world is what... 5-10% total? People don’t think there’s not going to be variants emerging in those countries even if we make it to 100%? EVEN if we make it to 100% vaccination in this country, we are going to be dealing with Covid for likely our lifetime in some form or another and at some point we are just going to have to accept that risk unless we become an isolationists country in a globalists world. Whether and extra ten to twenty percent of people get vaccinated next week or six months from now, that reality doesn’t change. And, it really doesn’t bother me that there’s people who’ve accepted that risk now.