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10 minutes ago, Stebo said:
I don't know how we can know this definitively though if there is barely any testing for children, the data available is very limited because children aren't being tested as much as adults.
kids make up 8-18% of total testing done across 11 states (including some big population ones). Definitely more than “barely any”.
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Just now, Stebo said:
I don't know how we can know this definitively though if there is barely any testing for children, the data available is very limited because children aren't being tested as much as adults.
“almost all coronavirus transmission came from adults to children”
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Just now, TimB84 said:
And it seems from at least two of those three sources that teachers have gotten wise to it and already found ways to curb it.
I added a video. You should watch it.
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12 minutes ago, TimB84 said:
Can we really say that’s “the way society is” because one kid (and maybe his friends, if he wasn’t just throwing them under the bus to lessen the amount of trouble he got into) did it?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.teenvogue.com/story/cheating-remote-learning-chegg-slader/amp
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39 minutes ago, TimB84 said:
Okay, that was a little extreme language on my part. But you have implied that 1) the vast majority of kids would cheat if they didn’t think anyone was watching, and 2) most kids have little to no intrinsic motivation to succeed, and what little motivation they do have is guided by fear.
My wife’s brother is 14. His mom has caught him multiple times getting homework from the internet or from friends who got it off the internet. His excuse? That’s what all his friends are doing. They think remote learning is a joke. He goes to an otherwise very rigorous private school that at one point required an hour or two of homework every night. I don’t why it is that way or what it says about society, but it is happening and I’m not just pulling that out of my ass. Motivation to succeed/fear of failure are two sides of the same coin in my opinion.
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13 minutes ago, TimB84 said:
I just don’t find it likely that when kids are learning remotely, most of them develop the mentality of juvenile delinquents who don’t care about cheating or its consequences because they don’t have a teacher watching over their shoulder at all times.
And what your argument seems to boil down to is every kid is a juvenile delinquent at heart, they just need the right circumstances to bring it to the surface. Sorry, I just can’t bring myself to believe that all kids are sociopaths given the right conditions.
Good lord dude googling answers to an assignment doesn’t make you a juvenile delinquent, it makes you a kid who’d rather be playing Xbox than doing homework
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16 minutes ago, Malacka11 said:
It's sad in a way that we need to motivate kids through fear of not doing well in school in order to do their school work. But this is the Covid thread, not the local school board site so I'll shhh
Not doing well in school has real life consequences. Kids should know that, and that it’s important to care of about your future.
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53 minutes ago, TimB84 said:
Of course it’s significantly harder to cheat in person than it is online. I’m just also of the belief that the kids who don’t want to learn won’t do it in any setting.
And I am of the belief that remote learning takes that small percentage of kids who don't want to learn anything and turns it into a big percentage. The fear of not doing well in school keeps a lot of kids engaged-take that away and there's no reason to stay engaged.
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1 minute ago, TimB84 said:
I know what goes on at school and at home, kids find new and creative ways to cheat on a daily basis. It’s not going to change, regardless of setting.
If you are going at least not acknowledge that it is significantly harder to cheat in person than online or remote classes then you’re not having this conversation in good faith.
ADDITIONALLY, online learning is SIGNIFICANTLY less difficult in my experience, both in the work itself and how that work is graded.
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1 minute ago, TimB84 said:
Failing also = not learning, and that’s what those kids would be doing if they didn’t have the opportunity to cheat (which they would, even in a school setting).
I think you have a serious disconnect between what you think goes on at school and at home vs what really happens at school and at home. And we are probably at the point where we will just have to agree to disagree on this.
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3 minutes ago, TimB84 said:
I would argue that “people are going to cheat in school when learning remotely” is below at least 1,000 other issues to be worried about during the pandemic, maybe even 10,000.
You're missing the point. Cheating=not learning. I think "kids education is suffering from at home learning" is pretty high on that list.
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6 minutes ago, TimB84 said:
So every single person on this earth would throw integrity to the wayside in that situation?
If you're relying on integrity to get a 15-18 year old to do school work vs literally almost anything else in the world.... you're in trouble.
6 minutes ago, Malacka11 said:Imo easily the biggest issue with remote learning is that it prevents children from learning crucial social skills like they would in-class. Sure, the course material is important too, but I'd argue that learning to interact with other people in a group setting is easily the "real" bread and butter of public schools.
Hey look we agree on something!!
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15 minutes ago, TimB84 said:
Grade inflation has been going on since the Vietnam days when professors didn’t want to flunk students because they wanted to make sure they stayed in school so they didn’t get sent to Vietnam. (And probably before that)
Well as of 8 months ago it took me about a quarter of the workload and time to get an A online as it did attending in person.
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10 minutes ago, TimB84 said:
But haven’t students been cheating since the dawn of time?
Listen I am not arguing that there aren't kids who benefit from online classes, but its a whole lot easier to get a higher grade while putting in less work from remote learning and that's a fact. I even agree with you that standardized testing is malarkey (and that's coming from an above average standardized test taker), but there still has to be some kind of merit based system where not everyone gets an A because everyone knows how to use google.
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15 minutes ago, UMB WX said:
On the flip side there appears to be a population of all aged student personalities excelling with virtual learning. I have to believe I would have benefited from online learning for many reasons when I was in school during the 80's/early 90's. The social part of school can be very damaging. It just goes to show that education needs to expand its instructional methods so that all students can benefit from the learning style that best suits them.
As someone who is young enough to have taken online classes-it's because online classes and virtual learning is easier, and easier to cheat (you can google answers, even for math problems).
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Just now, TimB84 said:
Guilty as charged, unfortunately I’m a middle class white person working from home and ordering Uber eats. Hence the reason I had to remind myself why it won’t really work out to have kids of any age going to school virtually for any real length of time.
8 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said:Yeah that exactly right. It increases the disparities that already exist. It's also another reason why lockdowns are only quasi-effective in the short term. The government didnt/doesn't help the front line workers enough in impoverished areas all that much and they can't work from home. So you end up shifting the infection burden on an already relatively unhealthy cohort in multigenerational households while middle and upper class mostly white people can work from home and order Uber eats. Then, everyone focuses (including the government to shift blame on to the individual) on maybe the 20% of spread that is actually caused by "bad behavior" all the while ignoring the systemic issues behind the majority of the spread.
This is such a good conversation to be having. There are so many consequences to having kids staying home from school that almost exclusively effect people without enough money to pay for arrangements for their kids.
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38 minutes ago, TimB84 said:
It would not surprise me at all if that evidence is true, my comment was more devil’s advocate. However, I still think that calculation is a little different for elementary/middle vs. high school. If high schools are still conducted virtually until it is safer (i.e. through the end of the school year, I’m hoping most of the population will be vaccinated before school starts up again), it doesn’t prevent the parents from working outside of the home if their job requires them to do so because a 14 1/2 to 18 year old can be left at home to learn virtually. Maybe even 7th-8th graders, isn’t 12 the age when kids are allowed to be left at home by themselves? This time of the school year, most of the instruction being done in middle and high schools is preparing students for, and taking, standardized tests and state-mandated bull***t anyway.
What is your justification for high school kids staying home?
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13 minutes ago, KokomoWX said:
I just don't get why everyone wants to target the low hanging fruit of schools and in person learning. I work at a school, with 1850 students K-12 plus staff who have been in school since early August. We have closed twice for a couple of days each when we lost a small but critical departments (food service/custodial) to quarantines. We played sports, had plays and band concerts and exhibitions, and a variety of activities. Our Covid positives stand at 131 for the entire year for students and staff. We have had no outbreaks and our positivity rate was always much less than local and state rates. Schools can safely open and should be open. Period. We did allow for students to chose in remain home and do distance learning but the number was small to start and dwindled quickly. We have zero plans to offer this as an option next school year.
People keep pushing that narrative despite repeated studies that kids, in general, don't contribute a lot to the spread (unless something new has come out in the last month or two). I am not sure why people want kids to stay home so badly, it is terrible for them and makes people's lives very difficult.
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14 minutes ago, StormfanaticInd said:
I will be getting mines next week!
Are you going to the speedway?
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16 minutes ago, StormfanaticInd said:
My prediction for the United States is we will get this under control by the summer but variants will most likely set us back some this fall and winter. Its conceivable this could repeat itself over the next couple of years but hopefully getting weaker over time
Hopefully most of us will be vaccinated in the next few months
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4 minutes ago, TimB84 said:
I honestly can’t remember. I think it’s probably a combination of that and the virus was still very new so we couldn’t treat it as effectively as we can now. Also testing (at least here, not sure about Italy) was abysmal, so the denominator of that fraction was probably much higher than on paper.
Gotcha. Not denying the possibility of a deadlier variation of the virus, but wonder if that could be contributing to what we are seeing in Brazil. It’s definitely gotten out of control one way or another.
edit:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7291160/
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1 hour ago, TimB84 said:
What was I saying the other day about this turning into something like SARS?
Edit: not saying it will. But things like this at least raise the possibility that it could.
Were there ever any explanations for why places where cases numbers exploded the fatality rate exploded as well (Italy/NYC last spring)? Was it just the overall decrease in effective health care?
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Just now, mattb65 said:
My 1st grade aged son has been going to in person school all year and wears a mask the whole day except for lunch including during PE. I wouldn't have a problem with him doing sports even if they required masks.
He has adapted to wearing it no problem and the school as a whole has successfully navigated >3/4th of the school year without any infections.
He's done cub scouts and has needed to wear masks on a hike and during recreational activity like biking during scouts. We've had him doing swim lessons without any masks for obvious reasons. Staying physically and socially active even with the potential covid risks and even with having to wear masks when doing those activities provides way more benefits to his well being than not doing them in my opinion.
Generally speaking, hawaii has had a much lower level of covid than almost anywhere in the US, if it was more widespread I might have needed to adjust the activities somewhat.
You disagree with the WHO statement that you shouldn't wear a mask while doing physical activities?
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2 minutes ago, TimB84 said:
No kids here, but I’m very much against kids playing sports wearing masks. If it’s so much of a risk that they have to wear a mask on the field/court, maybe the thought process should be more along the lines of whether or not sports should be played at all.
Agree 100% with you here. Just curious because I have a coworker whose kids play their rec league basketball in masks... would rather them just not play myself.
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You want to end athletics even though that’s where they are actually getting tested? Again, actual evidence shows there’s plenty of testing done on kids.