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Strongest easterly jet phenomenon in the lower to mid troposphere along and S of the 30th parallel ..due to the strongest HC in observational Meteorological history ... augmenting the NINA state. ...mm possible. I do get the feeling ..at least wonder, if the the "global La Nina" story is not as emphatic as the SST due to exaggerated low level easterly stressing giving the latter a PR goose. It may not be a La Nina in the integral nearly as strongly as those SST anomalies ...meaning considering the total hemispheric interstitial factors that in whole, drives the ENSO states along... Simply put, maybe it's a weak to moderate integrated La Nina on whole, but with a low level trade wind exaggerated SST distribution contained within ... Never be able to separate those two - or at least 'good luck.' Chicken vs egg headache too - I think we're having a northern stream dominated winter ... and that is super-imposing over the extended HC latitude, where the layover is a positive feedback. We we may at times even observe the 'faux' STJ from ...or just a split into Canada/west...when the PNA tries to lapse .. But in those scenarios we're merely splitting the N -stream; southern component ends up with an mixed/ ice storm deal as the main storm profile threat when it does. And, ...lots of height lines and winds as a canvased look. This may be a good year for NJ model lows ... '86 Novie types...

it's had that for like 7 cycles now... Buuuuut, it's that pesky 300+ hour thing that's the problem - lol ... It does this every year... and every year, I ignore it. The GGEM likes to do this too... But, then... Sandy happened. Oops. It does have somewhat of a Sandy look to it though. I mean ...from distant orbit, that is. Obviously no declaration of redux or analog in saying so, but.. having a matured TC cross Cuba and entangle with the westerlies... culminating in a snow bomb over eastern Ontario like that, really in concept is not different than Sandy. It did the same exact thing - but farther S. along the MA, and I think snow was accumulating in WV when the core of the f'er was still blazin' away at 24C clear to 500 mb level. Leaves the question out there: could a Cat 2 "hook" left into NY Bite with a 30' storm surge due to geomorphic funneling ? Oh... you just asked about the GFS though

Oh sure - wasn't intending to mean we can't use climate ... my skepticism triggers at low observation of change I suppose. Just to reiterate for anyone following ... it's a matter of how fast the climate is changing in assessing how obsolete the past has become - We are right ...we are to date talking about 1 degree this and a lot of decimal modulations. That doesn't seem like much? By convention of numerology ( lol ) ... the # 1 is a small digit. But I would caution, therein is risk ...small numbers don't mean small changes to a system - particularly if said system deals with the machinery of a planetary systemic scale, and the endless polynomial terms influencing the synergistic outcome. It may in fact take ginormous change in a system guided by both positively and negatively compensating forces, to actually register a single degree of change in that system - but the boundary of change is being stretched ...will it snap? And, that ginormous change then is like having held back a historic flood with an outmoded dam. The climate is said to be 'changing' faster than the early climate change science predicted it would. Threshold mechanics comes into play as well.. I mean, we may be pushing decimals, then boom ...flash 10 pts .... you don't know. I don't know. We are in unprecedented waters in terms of Human influence in the geophysical environment of the planet. That much is empirical and cannot be argued - the anthropogenic C02 contribution, when added to the normal geological processes, sum to the biggest flux ever - unless that conclusion's been veraciously shown to not be true. Can we imagine ( then ) if we add Siberian permafrost locked Methane to the party - ho man. For all we know, there is lag in response and as the momentum for change itself gets going, we haven't seen thus felt the punch of it yet ... Even using sophistication of ice-coring and trapped-gas chemistry this, and isotope that ... those efforts are reanalyzing past climate change events that were not triggered by that which has ever happened before - to me that gets dubious quickly. So in that same vein/philosophy .. we're trying to use seasonal snow behavior from .proverbial .. 1948 datasets ? heh I may also have a personal bias in the cause-and-effect-relationship observation. In the last 30 years, we are hockey-sticking climate change, ...decimals or not. And in that time, we are seeing suddenly some 60 to 70% of Octobers with at least a chance for synoptic snow and a cornucopia of global outrage for enter alarming observation here [ ]. I think we can use climate of course...but I have that caveat emptor and asterisk sort of in play when I do -

Yeah...and honestly, the easterly Trade flux anomaly is just something I've recently flashed into the old sci-fi library of personal guess-work hahaha... But what triggered me to speculate on that is observing the behavior out over the Atlantic hurricane season...and the propensity of easterly shear. I used to think of shear as a west problem rearing up in Meteorology. When the wind turned around E at mid levels, look out! Suppose to be a good thing... but his year? It was f'n fire hose man.. mitigation of TW's moving W,, everywhere S of the 30th parallel. I saw TD after TD fail to sustain chimneys because they leaned and torn off with anvils making the Leewards when they were only half way the distance across the Basin... That much is not guesswork, it was actually seen.. Then noticing the west Pacific has been dearthy ( so far) too...particularly the western area of the Pac Basin. Both the Atlantic and the Pacific open areas are more prone to whole-scale balancing of mass load ..whereas closer to the Americas .. obviously the circulation structure changes at large scales might disrupt those 'orderly' field layouts and so we've seen some better growth profiles at home. Interesting stuff... but, what is interesting... the season was forecast' to be above normal in activity and they nailed that!!! The chagrin is that the 70% of it was rotating cumulus clouds oh my god - run for your lives! But the shear seems to be the suspect for the low ISE ... and just from my own records it was easterly.

Factoring in the hyperbolic jest might slow the train down enough for you to hop on board. LOL ... Yeah, no I don't know - Will or someone would.. I think Logan 110" ...? which is probably 200% ..spit ballin' ..I don't really have that area of Meteorology on my mental sleeve. haha

Right ...so we're actually still owing - lol... Nah.. in actuality, since the climate is changing and that is showing up with increased PWAT and totaling everywhere in the world with huge growing sample set of data points over 30 years now ( so don't give me that shit... no you the general reader ), ... the instability in the climate sort of makes any kind of statistical argument for "balancing" bullshit. Balancing what then - ? For all we know...we are heading into a 300" per year winter tendency and that was the first one... you get 4 off.... now we'll get two in a row...then we'll get 3 off... and then 3 in row... then we'll get 10 in row, and then they are all rain 2060 ... Or something else altogether. Point is, climate changing means ... you can't use past climate - ...it's a matter of how fast the change is occurring to determine how obsolete the data really is...

Mmm I wonder ... See, - gosh ur gonna hate this - I think the HC expansion shit is playing a role there. The flow all summer was not relaxing as it typically did ... between 300 years ago, and the year 2002 ( ~ ) for typology/summer eddy climate. We kept up with jet surpluses through the summer ... oh, we were no longer getting 180 kt sustained westerlies at 500 mb between SFO and London...no - but, we were observing anomalous gradient and faster flows by some subtle measures, enough so to sustain Rosby looks too ...The nebularity of summer was showing less entropy ..or 'breakdown' of the R-wave structures than normal So wtf is the point? Well, my point is, something is driving the gradient in the westerlies...and that is where the HC terminates in free-space with the lower Ferrel Cell above the mid latitudes. So, it is likely by logic alone that the HC is still strong ... By convention of that, the easterlies trades underneath the westerlies and the HC are getting augmented by large scale mass-conservation argument alone - perhaps ... This part I admit to more speculation, but from a geophysical meets with "conceptual arithmetic" perspective, it's not a bad notion to wonder if enhancing trade flux is causing sea-surface distribution - and that what we are really seeing is that more so than a systemic La Nina. It matters ... because, that means the gradient distribution in the total hemispheric integral is not likely to trigger the La Nina climatology as readily - at some point... scientific speculation has to considered. I'm not averring fact here lol... but you know what I mean. I'm just saying that it is possible a stronger HC is playing/accentuating matters ...and while not a "faux" La Nina...it may be exaggerating any real footprint there. So we may be looking for -1.5 -related climate impacts and wondering where they are again.

I remember musing the numerology of 2015, SNE's ... 300% above normal snow that season ... and getting no even acknowledgement - gee wonder why lol.. ... if it snowed 0% for three consecutive years, we would be perfectly average. Now, since it has snowed substantially more that 0% since that 300% season, .. purely from a 'just deserts' perspective, we probably have to go another 13 years of 50% ( smeared out in between warm ups in sloped sun over dead Earth) where the 50% is only there because of snow squalls at 2 am .... to finally get to our 20 years average and all is good and every has been delivered just they way the wanted it... muah hahaha By the time the numbers work out ... the cadre of conspiracy to correct the population down to a select few will have perfected upon their failed SAR-CoV-2 weaponization ... So in effect, 2015 was the last winter - and we didn't even know it while it was happening.

Delta's seems to have followed the floor plan of this tropical season for failing exulted states based upon every indicator suggesting it should -... Finally, for the first time in the past 5 days of this this thing ...we seem to have emerged a definitive eye. Even when this cyclone was 140 mph ... I'm sure it had an eye but you could not see it... And I mean it was not like there was an "impression" of an eye if perhaps merely obscured by clouds ...it looked like there was no 'dent' nothing... just a CDO with weird cold nodules that seemed to bifurcate where an eye would be.. As an aside, it seems there's probably some sort of at least indirect correlation between presentation and health - heh... who knows -.. Anyway, it weakened without an IWR ...just for no reason, prior to making landfall on the Yuk. Okay ...it's not like we want to kite civility along down there. But, it moves back out over 312 F water and 0 shear... 100 mph - ... wow, look out! Something is "in the air" ( ha!) mitigating this seasons... Historic numbers held back is what is really gone. Interesting... Oh, I'm sure this going to be a category 9 sonic speed orbit influencer now that I've insolently questioned the motivations of the gods ... but, the damage of seasonal profile is already in the museum in my mind and this has been a weird year. I wonder if some of this is 'detection sensitivity' - ...but it's hard to mention that without suggesting intent was in play - I really don't mean that. But the network of tech and human observation was simply not as sophisticate in the past ... By virtue of that, some of this could be influenced by those latter advantages. I just a suggestion -

Not that you or anyone else in particular is doing the following ... this doesn't save winter, either - ... I sense a tendency to rely on stuff as a denial enabler LOL Seriously these offsets are more like "somewhat reliable" ? A warm H5 anomaly .. will tend to promote a warm 2-meter result in the longer term when circuitously getting through all geophysical processes that connect those two metrics. It's just that for us here in New England, we tend to "tuck" and curl the flow at all scales, both synoptically and beta-meso scales. At the continental scale ...the whole of the westerlies flow coming off the Pacific tends to rise in latitude due to the oceanic laminar flow encroaching/sensing the inhibition downstream of the western topography of the continent. As the air 'piles up' the Coriolis force then curl it into a anticyclonic orientation.. which is why the rest state PNAP is always a modest ridge in the west..with a flattening out/subtle trough impression working east from the Rockies ... Since the natural R-wave/long-wave distribution of the planet also nodes a trough in the Maritimes of SE/E Canada, that means that confluence over southern and southeastern areas of Canada tends to occur given time and space... So, that's tucking the atmosphere back SW as a - for lack of better words - "potential vector" always in place. Here is an idealized example from a recent Euro run ...showing this this tucking behavior ... at synoptic scales: In this case...the 850 mb temperature is used to infer a current of cold air is being curled around by the synoptic/Coriolis forcing at large scales, ...and at this time there is also a confluence born high pressure up over the lower Maritimes... Note the warm air ends up on the N side of the anticyclonic eddy by as much as 6 to 8 C between the core of the cold channel of air and the warm 'seclusion' over NF/NS ... This is why those late May heat waves in NW New England were not experienced in the Mid Atlantic, because of this sort of large scale curl/tuck at synoptic scales, ... WHICH ... I have noticed has become a more discerned phenomenon in modeling, and in verification since this HC expansion shit and the quickening of the ambient westerlies velocity et al become prevalent over the last 10 years. But I'm digressing as usual ... I'm just saying, that we have sort of a built in "talent" for our spatial-circumstantial orientation wrt to the rest of geophysical aspect of the continent .. where these kind of aspects ( and there's a smeared spectrum of others that are cousin to this... BD's are related for example... 'Burrier jets' and ice storms always forecast to end sooner than they due because no one ever guesses this right...etc... ), and... the emerging statistical result of 2-meter temperatures tending to be cooler than the H5 modes at times. That said, I don't like personally relying on that ... If the orange and red anomalies are there... tends to quack like a duck and you end up with warm geese in the area. For me I just keep it in mind as a kind of on-going corrective maintenance, that we may have lower thickness wedging and/or soundings that "cheat" the hypsometric look due to the exaggerated curl causing the lower troposphere to gain some additional N momentum/mixing of thermal regulation from time to time that robs real heights from expanding thickness within. You know ...as an afterthought ... this fits why NASA's state of the climate publications dating back some 20 years, have 60 to 70% of the color graphic layout depictions with a cooler region painted over eastern N/A or near enough by that despite our warmer than normal ... we taint our contribution.

Yeah ... but I have noticed my self a growing "gap" tendency in the dailies between the thickness and hypsometry of the atmosphere. Primer: take the Hypsometric Equation, integrate it for PV=NRT ... = thickness... The only thing that really changes is the WV ... Hypsometric height is the room the heights expand when the moisture is removed. ... This is counter-intuitive to some degree ( pun intended...) because folks have heard that WV is an efficient greenhouse gas - but what is happening is, the column of wet warm air cools off slower than the column of dry air at the same height - ...such that the wet column nets/accumulates heat when exposed to less insolation ( sun ). Anyway, I have noticed that particularly over North America above ... 37 or so N latitude (~) ... The heights are there, but the atmosphere is dodging heating up ...maybe cloud albedo ...smoke... industrial farts, who knows. But, the hypsometric heights are getting taller, but the lower troposphere isn't getting thermally charged and the increased moisture input is holding the thickness down - insidiously, too... because we have been 'above normal' ... What this does is, hides how warm 'it could have been' ...by shirking the extent of it. fascinating really -

Not sure how well known this is ... but, "Prince" was just a fantastic guitar player - if not virtuoso actually. He did a solo in the song, "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" during .... 2004's Rock 'N' Roll Hall Of Fame' induction ceremony show that was mesmerizing. Fact of the matter is, there's probably a ceiling where a lot of these talents of the craft reach ...where beyond it really isn't very relevant because that realm is perhaps beyond the detection/perception of the common human ear and experience. We are not worthy to sit with that particular panel of judges. Hendrix was done right lewd ... .and, it's risky to cross-up genres anyway, because the comparisons cannot really be resolved - it's like asking what's a prettier color: red or blue. But Chuck Berry? ...he ripped solos so hot the Devil ducked out the backdoor... he was ludicrous as a Rocka-Billy tactiction.. And there's a whole pantheon of Blues gifts from god that walked amongst us disguised as mere mortals ...who when they played, heaven wept. I dunno... there's no EVH is better than "X" or "Z" at a certain point ....it's just honoring something extraordinary for having blessed our company ...all too brief was their stay, and made the world that much more bearable for their harmony.

Wait ... there were three years bbb in the early 1950s? ...the suicide stretch my god But on point that makes me wonder about the ambient PWAT/WV accessibility in the GW models - interesting. But I don’t know if it accounts for all that because that seems like a disproportionately large response by that one metric when GE its self is decimaling its way up ... could be luck playing in... also - note the 1980’s ambrosia of couplets

Well ... I dunno it seems to me pulling back to back subpar snow seasons at 1000’ is in of its self perhaps harder to do than the SE coastal plain. In terms of implication - I can see 1998-‘99 as that was that super ENSO back whence they mattered -lol

Yeah the transport/PWAT aspect up to the lover OV/ to upper MA/NE regions was hinted several days ago but has been flip-flopping a bit with some runs trying to flatten the flow ...but I think the westerly position has merit... May not correct deficits but will dent if so -

Delta appears destined to 5 status ... Looking at the typical environmental factors, this system has 0 inhibition for strengthening - that only leaves internal fluctuations that are not predictable with any reliancy such IR sequencing and so forth. My experience with that is that the TCs destined for unimpeded realization ... typically spike to their apex along the gestation intensity in that first 18 to 24 hours through that initial RI (rapid intensity..). After which replacement and expanding wind fields and other mechanics start lowering winds due to spreading the atmospheric response to the internal/core pressure implosion. Right now... the core is simply coring out faster than the surrounding PGF can respond due to curvature physics impeding mass transport ... so it's probably going to be 920 mb here by overnight... at 160 mph ( I'm guessing) at about the time FOX News contingency's blaming it on gay marriage - Heh...anyway, it may not be that strong but it's 130 mph rather abruptly and again, it just appears to be in the midst of an RI curve that has zippo inhibitors for the next 24 hours. I dunno- but that I don't see what's going to stop this thing from really ceiling intensity. Also, I am noticing the the modest shearing that the models were imposing on the circulation out there around ( now) 96 hours,... is all but gone or reducing. In fact, many global models are significantly expanding the pressure field/dimension of the circumvallate of the cyclone as it is in the midriff Gulf open seas... approaching 120 hours.. That's bit alarming for obvious reasons.. and who knows what kind of particulars with structure it will harbor. Lyme bite ringed eye-walls tunneling along 135 mph wind drills, each separated by intervening zephyrs of only 78 mph to offer exhalation as the coast is clear if one is lucky enough to be there instead -

well than bravo -

The stronger/ing HC might also sustain stronger easterly trade wind - supposition. That could "mimic" - for lack of better word - the La Nina state, however... So, we end up with stronger easterly trade... causing cooling... but that is still inside the HC ...and then the hemisphere above latitudes doesn't behavior very La Nina and again... heads getting scratched in early February when there's an El Nino California wind bomb going off lol ... just sayn'

That's a terrible look.... All the balancing is already stored in that usually deep vortex with huge saturated rampart of heights and violent wind so that's not doing anything - you want softer 'hypsometric' gradient, with steeper 'thickness gradient' underneath... It's complex -

Mmm I'm not sure to which conversation you refer to when/where I "refuted" - but fwiw, I have been very clear in hard text .. if not implicitly, that 'these are not absolute' ; it's about offsetting mitigators. ENSO is not 0 influencing ... duh.. The idea is as it should be, that it is not AS influencing when smothered inside an expanded HC - ...I even said, the 'art is how much so' at one point or the other. I just don't like the ready-reliance on ENSO as it doesn't fit with my personal perspective from education, a-priori as well as purely observational reasons. Off the record, in my own little fantasy world I'm actually put off by the ENSO failures as of the last decade to the point where I'm hostile and want to throw my hands and say it's all BS but out of respect for my fellow minds and that my indignation isn't so righteous ... I figure I could be wrong in absolution- haha Caveat emptor I suppose. But, warm(cool) ENSOs have not manifested the impacts they typically due around the Globe's known climate routes, ...over the last 10 to 15 years, as notably as they did prior to the coincident onset of the HC expansion - which to reiterate, is not me alone averring that circumstantial emergence. I have cited links and climate reports and papers oh my! I understand that these are large - in geological time concerns ... -- nearly instantaneous changes, but that unfortunately requires a proportional ability to be mutable and adapt if one is in the business of using "environmental signaling" to prognosticate. But I also admit there is a bit of smoldering commentary along the way that the Earth is in deep f'n trouble ... but it is what it is.

Here's an easy prediction: Trump’s out of this thing in 4.38 days from right now… a time in which he experiences nothing further of consequence … --> Rage against the Liberal conspiracy-Pandemia

I don't really have a problem with this in the DJF ... particularly the latter two months of that range. I think as the 'base-line' eddy gets established in the winter hemisphere, it will probably be at more times than not ...seemingly unrelentingly in compressed look that emerges by virtue of the polar winter heights reaching a nadir between Jan 15 and Feb 10 or so... In that time range, we may have seasonal heights over the area, but because the compression is there, the winds are hauling seriously ablading cold incursions and or limiting their impact on regions to briefer times ... There is a way out of this though... 2015 February - Firstly, those seasonal products by the Euro are not that good - just keeping that in mind. Secondly, should the N-stream just become so overwhelming, we could end up in one of the -20 C 850 at all time air masses...with powdering coastals faking huge seasonal snow totals.. If there is anywhere in N/A where that would likely to occur, it is in the eastern Lakes-OV-NE band, where the PNAP favors a persistently anchored trough. It does pull me to wonder at times if we can't sustain winter without that extreme - perhaps as an insidious "already" climate threshold cross that we're less collectively aware... The HC is being documented and observed, in the private sector and in scholar and scientific formal arenas alike - and given the root causality...climate change ... theoretically that does not lend one to think it is going anywhere, either. So that scaffolds the vision of the futre around that flow being consummately impeded from the S by heights that are not receding - and we're only talking about about 6 dm ... But that's all we need in the integral from 30 N to 70 N to trigger the velocity surplus...which by wave mechanics than starts jostling the R-wave orientations, as well, creates interesting indivudal temporal-spatial scaled event morphologies. Like 938 mb extratropical lows moving passed a region that thinks a Pratt&Whittney proving ground was exhausting through their region with a 6 hour 100 mph sideways show .... ( hyperbole but it was SOMEthing ludicrous!) ... weird shit. Anyway, non-sustaining cold before warm reloads to 45 N isn't a bad base-line in a ballooning HC... That all said, prior to the onset of that circumstance...these book end months ... mid Octo to Dec 1 and ...then again through April 15 ...perhaps May 1, etc... those times the compression eases and continent passes back through a tendency period for -EPOs .... It's sort of causing a recurrent 'split' in winter - It's not all the time and or absolute, either... Just "tendency" - so... Even though that seasonal product probably verifies well by dumb luck ...I could kind of see/tell/almost predict where that luck comes from.

Yeah ... separating the -AO from the +AO ... as being rooted in what cause is a whole 'nother popsicle headache - good luck! But I also like where you are going there, because a -AO base-line tussling with HC would quite reasonably cause a different "synergistic" hemisphere ...having those opposing aspects in tandem. I don't know how to visualize that resolution. The +AO is easy ... It's a contraction N of the westerlies/Polar Jet as we know... and that's sort of like giving the HC "carte blanche" - you know? So we wash in bathing progressivity and sheared out busted R-waves that can't situate ...and you know the drill... Anyone want to argue that's NOT what we've eaten the last half-ten ? If so, never log in again - But jokes aside, the HC isn't going anywhere - most likely... Most papers, sciences and scholars are leaning heavily toward it's anchoring in GW ... so - But... the +AO affliction is making the GW seem like whole numbers instead of decimals - which it still is. When they flash headlines designed to jolt awareness ( ahem...) that X month was the warmest ever ...they mean it was .01 warmer than the last 'oh-my-god-we're-all-gonna-die' month ... I mean it's not good that we are adding decimals ...no.. But, it's like Venus comes tomorrow. ...or even in 50 years... although ... things could be sensibly different by then if the "acceleration" shit continues ... Logarithmic change is a little harry out to 5 decades... Anyway, I'm not really sure about the +AO longevity ...it doens't fit the solar min curve...Last year was not right ... and it's persistence was also ... doubling down on that 'not righteousness' ha-ha. Seriously... I don't blame the QBO when the QBO was weak and there are plenty of -AO at similar QBO in the past... so, ... the MJO's were also biased on 3-6 phases, which is consistent with the +AO correlation - it worries me that the whole hemisphere was butt-fing winter ...from the Eq to the Pol and this is unrelenting... I am not sure that HC ... I don't see how - but it does seem to be a constructive interference that is making the HC very demonstrative ... making huge mid lat wind budgets -

Yeah I think this is the intellectual/ course of least regret in using the PDO metric frankly ... and by the way, check this but I think the multi-decadal curve is arguing -PDO/-AMO through 2030 .. So if it is positive - I have two thoughts on that... The first is, it may be a lie... Why? Because we are also now toting along this multi-decade warm basin signal. I think if you look at the last 200 some- months worth of anomalies products at NASA... 78% of the Basin has been in a positive anomaly 78% of the months or something ... ( making that up but it's been warm biased). *AND* that is now overlapping the -PDO according to the multi-decadal oscillatory curve that was constructed based upon reanalysis from 200 years ago .. that become more empirical mid century onwards.. Blah blah.. .point is - and I'm sorry if this chaps asses and/or rolls eyes but the fact of the matter is - global warming is f'ing this whole conversation up before we even have it.. Jesus Christ. But, suppose for a moment GW doesn't matter ( yeah right - ) ... the PDO/AMO move together, and both move with a very high correlation to the solar cycle. So it is an interesting diametric signal there... we have a multi-decade in situ warm anomaly - regardless of GW or not ...it's there - "fighting" the -PDO ...which by the way, should be a whopper given to the superposition theory and the deep solar min ... I keep coming back the same thing .. the primary force in the scaling of equations is the HC expansion and the polar field/Ferrel Cell interface velocity in the gradient saturation as overwhelming things. That's putting the previous modes that were better correlations more on the back burner - note, that is not saying they don't influence. Seems there is a tendency to read shit and think it's absolute stink and that's not the point here - but, we live on a dynamical world - and dynamics actually translates directly to "change" as per definition... Sometimes the turds of change just have to be seen or we risk drinking the cool-aide

The PDO - as I read back in the 1990s ... - is often prone to ephemeral looks because of sea-surface wind stressing. Which makes sense, considering the PDO's domain space is pretty much overridden by the wildest, windiest tropospheric realm on the planet, ... pushing water plumes around and upwelling this and loading warm into shallows that. It's like one of those thumb-slide puzzles. Such that given to how deep the surface layering is (warm)(cool), either can be disintegrated instra seasonal and if significant enough, on scales of mere weeks at that. That lends to me questioning the usefulness of assessing the PDO in any given July through early October time frame, if one is to assess how it may look/be somehow correlative in ensuing winter. I wonder if anyone has ever took the scalar PDO of August and compared it January's ? Like -1 August = ? January in the "tendencies" - I bet the correlation is more noisy than we think... while biases the decadal signal... Such that if we are in the positive(negative) modes ... Jan tends to reflect the decadal signal, and August's throw out the variability. Thing is... momentum left over from spring may be mashed up with solar modulated summers, at a time of the year when/where said stressing is not as mechanical adding to the deception ... and that can falsely reduce(elevate) negative(positive) PDO's which ... btw, the "D" in P - D - O stands for "Decadal" for a reason... It doesn't mean "Dailies" ... such that a Aleutian bomb may neg the shit out of the domain up there ...but not really consistent with the longer term's vastly more correlatable decadal lags. Such that there's a couple faux negatives in Sept... a bomb in mid October that upwells, and everyone forecast a winter -PDO correlation that doesn't mean anything because the circuitry is all positive by Thanks Giving and stays that way until March. Just attempting to some healthy skepticism here -