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Love the weather day...cold, blustery, and should get decently cold tonight and then temps maybe in the teens tomorrow night.
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December 2023 Mid/Long Term Pattern Discussion: Let it Snow!
Carvers Gap replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
The good thing about the 12z suite is that I think winter might be tipping its hand in regards to storm track.....- 548 replies
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December 2023 Mid/Long Term Pattern Discussion: Let it Snow!
Carvers Gap replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
MRX mentioned snow above 3k' I "think." The 12z Euro also is picking up on an active (mostly rainy) wx pattern during the next ten days. That storm around 170-180hr probably is going to have to be watched for frozen possibilities either with wrap around or with the storm itself. There may be some minor upslope potential following it. Still way out there, so lots of possibilities...but generally a slp tracking to our SE w/ marginal surface temps.- 548 replies
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December 2023 Mid/Long Term Pattern Discussion: Let it Snow!
Carvers Gap replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
The ensembles aren't terrible at 500, but the source region is hot garbage. That said the 12z operational runs are decent....what I can't tell is if the operationals are trying to catch-up to the ensembles, or in a rare case...it is the other way around. LC had a great discussion on his Saturday night write-up and also a post earlier today. He is reasonably optimistic. He notes that changes(which were on the weeklies) can now be seen on operational and ensemble runs. But he says it will take some time for the NA air mass to cool back down. He did note that snowpack in Ontario and Quebec should build, and that would help place a semi-permanent trough over eastern NA by mid Jan. He cautions patience, and notes that the Nino should begin to decay which would produce a weak Nino by mid-winter. That would be huge. Of course, there are always the stinker analogs from the 90s to keep us grounded! Hope you had a great Thanksgiving. At least it looks like rains are returning at a fairly regular clip! Jeff's post earlier is prob on the money about the first half of Dec being warm....though I was not a huge fan of the '22 cold coming all at once reference. I hope that wasn't a hint. That was prob too much cold in my book - at least the wind chills anyway!!! If the winter is AN (temps) in eastern areas, the first two weeks of Dec will likely decide that. If it is just +3-5F, I think the rest of DJF will off set that with Feb being the tipping point for BN. As a whole, it would not surprise me to see the winter be slightly AN temp wise, but with seasonal snow for eastern areas. Again, the opposite of last winter is very much in play. But....no slam dunk!- 548 replies
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December 2023 Mid/Long Term Pattern Discussion: Let it Snow!
Carvers Gap replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
And just like that, the 12z suite is a bit more interesting. The GFS has a wave coming out of the GOM around 180.- 548 replies
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December 2023 Mid/Long Term Pattern Discussion: Let it Snow!
Carvers Gap replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
Cosgrove mentioned on social media today that he felt like changes were coming after mid-month due to the high configuration in Canada, but that it would take some time. Honestly, to me things are on schedule if not a week or two ahead of schedule for Nino. The only thing that surprised me is that fall was so warm. Also, LC mentioned that the rain returning to the SE was a decent sign that the past regime is changing. Again, things look pretty benign in the short and medium range. I am less bullish on a cold Christmas, but that could easily change. I have seen LR modeling signal very cold Decembers only to have modeling flip after the first third of the month is over...and i have seen the opposite occur as well. And again, this is the time of year when modeling struggles as the turn to winter is going to be not surprisingly late. But man, it is cold out there today!!!!- 548 replies
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December 2023 Mid/Long Term Pattern Discussion: Let it Snow!
Carvers Gap replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
Modeling has reverted to a bit of a "meh" look during the past couple of days. Again, as we depart shoulder season LR modeling can still fool us pretty easily in the future (both for the good and bad). This would definitely be a year I don't expect a fast start to winter. So, no harm, no foul....- 548 replies
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December 2023 Mid/Long Term Pattern Discussion: Let it Snow!
Carvers Gap replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
The 12z NAM shows some light snow showers over the region after the front passes (north of I-40 and Plateau eastward, especially higher elevations).- 548 replies
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December 2023 Mid/Long Term Pattern Discussion: Let it Snow!
Carvers Gap replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
Maybe it is just Friday night and the melatonin is making me feel good.....but I really like what I see in ensembles today. Lots of changes during the last 48 hours.....- 548 replies
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December 2023 Mid/Long Term Pattern Discussion: Let it Snow!
Carvers Gap replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
Here is an interesting tidbit from the Euro Weeklies today. The snow mean for the foothills, NE TN Valley, and SW VA is 6-8" of snow for the 46d timeframe beginning today.- 548 replies
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December 2023 Mid/Long Term Pattern Discussion: Let it Snow!
Carvers Gap replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
And I should add that NAOs are probably one of the most difficult features to predict. With the -QBO, we can kind of guess that it will be there from a seasonal perspective. but truly it gets squirrelly to nail down details. Last year, it often hooked into the SER which is not all that common but also not unprecedented. With the predisposition of the ENSO state for a SE trough, I think we avoid that for the most part this winter. Source regions are going to be key. Again, this has generally looked like a backloaded winter on seasonal modeling. A switch to a favorable pattern during any part of December is considered bonus bucks.- 548 replies
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December 2023 Mid/Long Term Pattern Discussion: Let it Snow!
Carvers Gap replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
Overnight ensembles continue to advertise a decent pattern by mid month. Modeling has been bouncing around a lot, and I don’t trust them at this point. A -NAO is beginning to present itself consistently across global ensembles to varying degrees. Do we have a decent source region for the SE trough? IDK, it doesn’t look like it now. But that could change. Models originally had this pattern in the LR, lost it, and now it is back again. Shoulder season model watching is not for the faint of heart.- 548 replies
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...Or maybe I should say that the EPC control says, "Happy Thanksgiving!!!" Seriously, enjoy turkey day, everyone! The LR ensembles do appear to be hinting at a SE trough by mid-month. The GEFS is less enthused. EPS and GEPS are fairly textbook.
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No idea what is going on with the EPF - pretty significant cold bias. Its 0z control run was fairly epic for the SE.
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Fall/Winter Banter - Football, Basketball, Snowball?
Carvers Gap replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
Tough to beat an opponent when they shoot 48 FTs. Officiating last night was egregious. -
The Euro Weeklies this evening look stellar.
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The 0z GFS was certainly a more active run....
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I was in JC just before 5:00, and a bit of a rain squall came through. The interstate was a bear! Anyway, JC got a good amount of rain at that point. Honestly, I don't even remember the last time I have had to use my windshield wipers.
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Yeah, man. That helps with the super scary fire conditions you all were having to deal with. Huge.
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I think Grit said it best in the MA forum(or it could have been GaWx or both...I am too lazy to go back and look), the MJO is likely going to fire along the equatorial dateline in the Pacific. Right now, 8-2-1 don't favor a cold SE....but do when we head deeper into winter. We have discussed that some earlier(either this thread or the winter spec thread) that the MJO would be likely be a key driver due to the Nino event(and warming SSTs in that region). Great explanation in the MA forum, and worth a read. The 8-2-1 teleconnects to a warm SE right now, but is much colder when centered on DJF vs NDJ or OND.
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As for the Euro...it has been less dependable during recent years. Honestly, it seems to have the same cold bias as the CMC. It is especially bad during shoulder season. The GEFS seems to have a bigger warm bias of late, but......it seems more dependable during shoulder season though. Right now, it seems modeling tried to inaccurately push a polar air mass into the region at range. That could still verify, but looks less likely. And that is more of a Euro bust....GEFS likely scores the win as it appears to have had a more muted intensity and duration for the Thanksgiving "cold" snap. That said, the Euro identified the switch to cooler first if I remember correctly(at 500 on the Weeklies). But models being inaccurate is not unsurprising given that modeling past d8 really is just halfway decent at longwave patterns. A blend of modeling seems to be working really well right now. Nino climatology favors a move to a SE trough at some point between the last week of December and the third week of January. The timing of that is crucial, and modeling seems to be centered on the last week of December, but......modeling has already this year (on at least one occasion) had a similar lock(and I do mean locked-in) at range, and now looks like it will whiff. For now, it is probably better to ride with Nino climatology...and just say a SE trough is likely by mid Jan. Models will often be too quick to remove a warm eastern air mass(especially w/ little or shallow snow cover over the Plains). Cold source TBD.
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18z GFS must have gotten a dose of the CMC. Frigid.
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Also, bout time for the first thread for winter. We can do it by month(Dec, then Jan, then Feb), or we can just do a winter pattern discussion thread part I, and then restart a new thread when part I gets full(or we need some new mojo). Whoever starts the thread, gets to choose. December starts in 11 days, so we are well within range to start it. One year we had a medium and long range thread, and then had a short range thread for days 1-5. We can do that also.
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Anyone have the link for model verification comparisons? It seems like the GFS is busting badly on temps (warm bias), and the Euro is too cold at range. Usually, it is the other way around.
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Fall/Winter Banter - Football, Basketball, Snowball?
Carvers Gap replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
Powell, we will be praying for you all.