Carvers Gap

Welcome to the board. Tell us more about the PDO going up. I haven't even looked at it lately!

I am waiting to see if new WWAs are posted. Almost would have to be.

What is the timing onset for TRI(if it gets here) tonight? I haven't even bothered to look!

The 12z CFSv2 also lends some support to the "jail break" cold pattern potential just after Christmas.

Here is a prime example of the ensemble mean being skewed by anomalous members. I mentioned this yesterday. A substantial number of members from the EPS(2 sets of panels) and the GEFS (1 panel), have a cold front coming through on Christmas or the day after. The first group of thumbnails is from the GEFS at 366. Most of those members have a cold front pushing through. The EPS also has several members which produce cold. Surprisingly, the 12z GEFS has more of colder solutions. (I am pretty sure the GFS and GEFS were not updated at the same time. That leads to some discontinuity between the two at times.) This "could" be the first chink in the armor of the duration of the presumed, longer-duration warmup. Time will tell. In early December, the first signs that modeling was reverting...the oddball deterministic run which became more common and individual ensemble members.

Somewhere, Larry Cosgrove has to be smiling. The Euro Weeklies have a strong EPO by about Jan 17th. So, we need to weather the storm between Dec 20 and Jan 20. It seems like the patterns this winter are not as stable as past winters, i.e. they are shorter in duration(4 weeks and not 6 weeks). If we can swing a cold air mass or two during that "warm" time frame, that would be awesome. If we can find a way to go cold during that time frame, we have a shot at a cold winter. We are all pulling for the 12z Euro to be a trend and not a blip. It does actually have support from the 12z GFS which is just about 48 hours later w/ the trough pushing east. But huge grains of salt at that range.

I think it is a really amplified pattern. That is Arctic air under that ridge...1054 hp sliding down the Plains. Deceptive look for sure. Cold air is traveling close to the surface...some of the coldest air of the season under that ridge.

Not clipper, but interesting I think...The 12z Euro loses the infinite loop feedback over Pac NW. We saw something similar w/ the repetitive and erroneous Baja lows earlier this month. The 12z GFS got locked into a Pac low(maybe it is right?) complex, but the Euro kicked the trough eastward. Take a look at the differences. There is cold air drainage into the NA Prairies on the Euro. Compare that to the GFS at the same hour. Now to be fair, the GFS eventually kicks everything eastward. I think anytime we see a standing ridge over the SE this winter, we are really going to have to question what is going on upstream. Those ridges can happen and there is precedence. But they have been mirages this winter. I do think a Chinook is coming. But until the PAC NW repetitive low situation gets resolved, everything after that is probably a crap shoot. BTW, infinite loops have always interested me, mainly because they are a pain to programmers. I had to take three programing classes at UT. Infinite loops were challenging puzzles to solve, and sometimes a huge pain in the you know what. We really want to be routing for that 1050+ hp to continue to show up on modeling. This could be a blip, but worth watching.

Bring me some snow, Holston.

We saw this EXACT thing happen already in this short winter. I referenced my erroneous Nov 21st post yesterday(which caused some confusion). Let's see if the Euro stays with that solution. But the 12z Euro is a great example of what happens when things don't stall or feedback over the Pac NW. I have little doubt the GFS is having trouble in that region, but I don't remember it having feedback issues w/ troughs there. It does have some issues with building up cold air masses in the Canadian Rockies front range and then not kicking it out. But w/ the comparison I had above w/ the snowfall amounts vs AIFS, the GFS is an outlier at this time. Now, it can snow out there big time, but it really is out on a limb. When the trough doesn't stall there, it "should" kick out which it did on the Euro. The bad thing about that possible error is that it absolutely wrecks LR ext (weeklies) until it gets fixed. And if we are looking at 1055 HPs coming out of Canada, that would explain the models bouncing around.

I will be interested to see if CPC updates their official plot. I honestly don't know if they derive their own plot or get it from ABM. I haven't ever thought about it. Thank you for clarification on that.

I "think" the black line is the observed index. The black line is the same on the Euro. The starting points for the model are the 11th. Prior to that I "think" is observed. It is possible the CPC site corrects that later? I haven't really watched to see if they change it, but I don't think they do.

The 12z Euro slides a 1052 hp into the Plains late in its run. Wild swing. I will post some graphics when my stuff updates.

The 12z Euro (it hasn't run on WeatherBell...but has on pIvotal) gets rid of the infinite feedback loop and kicks a strong trough into the East and completely flips the d10-15 pattern. Is it right? No idea. But I feel like I have seen this movie before....like about 2-3 weeks ago.

Well, the 12Z Euro beat me to it...LOL. That is quite the correction. Is it done flipping and flopping? I doubt it.