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12 minutes ago, cyclone77 said:

Massive 3-day soaker ongoing.  Up to 1.42" for today bringing the 48hr total up to 3.65".  More rain to come tonight, so 4"+ looking likely. 

Massive. Over-performing for you no doubt. Models are all over the place for here and the trend acknowledged by the pros is even more lame than it looked a couple days ago. The trend we do have on our side is rain makers over-performing here all summer. Don't need the moisture like y'all tho, so I'm fine and glad some of you guys are finally getting hit. 

8 hours ago, Powerball said:

If you listened to WWJ (950 AM) during the afternoon rush in the 2000s, Sonny Eliot was the regular on-air metereologist. This was long after he had retired from TV (he was the Chief Meteorologist at WDIV until the late 70s).

While he was a fine weatherman, he wasn't nearly as revered as Tom Skilling has been for his technical expertise. It was more so his personality and eccentric way of delivering forecasts that won him favor with his audience. What was unique about him was that he was always perky on-camera (although I heard he was kind of difficult to work with behind the scenes), cracking jokes and speaking in riddles.

https://youtu.be/0WyBMhnmGb8?si=Mz1fmA1iaEGLbCmm

Watched the parade back then too. 

"This morning I got up and shoveled 4 inches of partly cloudy" -Sonny Elliot

18 hours ago, Stevo6899 said:

Yea as soon as I posted earlier today, I recalled a snowstorm we had around Nov 20, at least 6+ years ago. 2-4 was forecasted, 8-12 fell and I don't think we had another 6+ snowfall the rest of that winter. It's weird how history repeats itself when it comes to notable events.

The pre-20th winter grinch was 11-11-19. Didn't even get a Warning (Thx GRR). 19-20 ended up being a dumpster fire

7 hours ago, Stevo6899 said:

While we have had warm winters lately and I have been living in Florida for them, I am back living in Michigan to take care of my parents and ready for a cold/snowy November. Per our climate, its normal to have to wait until early/mid December for a good snowstorm. I'm hoping we can switch and get into winter quickly. I just went for a bike ride and man what a shock to the system to go from 94/humid to 55 and dry. The sun sure does still feel good. I wonder what's more likely, a early November snowstorm, or the lions hosting a playoff game...

Welcome (back). What Stebo said is fact tho. GFS already spitting maps that look like winter, lol

13 minutes ago, Lightning said:

I was very lucky to grow up with Mal Sillars in Detroit. The best TV MET in my opinion in the 70s and 80s.  Finally getting cable in the 90 I found WGN with the amazing Tom Skilling.  Just Wow.  Those 2 where the best TV METs. 

I knew of Mal Sillars. Perhaps from visiting relatives in the Detroit burbs I may have seen him once or twice. Fred McMurray in Flint was decent. Heard Sonny Elliott a lot since my dad only listened to WJR while driving even after moving out of Detroit in the 50s.

2 hours ago, Stebo said:

An end of an era next year, Skilling has been a true inspiration to so many mets for so many years and a wonderful guy overall. People use the word legend too much but Tom truly is a legend in meteorology. 

I first caught Tom via cable 42 years ago. He was so far above any TV Met I had seen up to that point. As if I'd only seen Pee Wee baseball and then somebody took me to a Major League playoff game. Glad for those Chicagoans pre-www that had Tom as their local guy. 

10 hours ago, luckyweather said:

Found a new webcam in the western UP to watch for the onset of winter. 
 

 

Haha, looks just like my 1st sled

6 hours ago, michsnowfreak said:

Our depth here peaked at 15".

 

BTW...a friend of mine who lives in a brand new condo refused to turn the heat on until today. As his temp inside dropped to 60.

Live in a ground floor apt with leaky windows, a slider door and two outside walls facing N and W. Only gotten down to 68F and no furnace kicking on yet (set to 67F). This evening almost perfect early autumn jacket wx

On 10/10/2023 at 12:46 PM, michsnowfreak said:

That explains it. 2020-21 did better in the metro than west. I remember that weather guy Adam (in Jackson) losing it lol.

 

And we sometimes forget that youve moved around lol. For me, 2011-12 is the low-bar mark of my lifetime (25.5").

 

Pic after storm 2-16-21

That winter I had nothing approaching that for snow cover. To get an image like that would've required deploying some kind of painting technique.

44 minutes ago, Steve said:

Here we go again…. Let’s hope winter doesn’t disappoint us this year!

Trivia. Quick - what's the last winter you were NOT disappointed?

7 hours ago, Lightning said:

1982-83 was brutal.  I remember hating that winter so much as a kid.  The brown grass winter!!

If I recall correctly a late snow (March or early April) prevented Detroit from breaking the low snowfall record.  Not sure but I just remembering not to want to ever remember that winter.. 

Especially right on the heels of 81-82 which rocked in all 3 categories - Snow/Snow cover/temps. 

I'd taken the year off between HS and college to get more skiing time, and had bought a snowmobile as well. Thought I'd do a lot of both before locking-down serious as I was a year younger than most in my grade. Well, what a waste of time that plan turned out to be. TWC was a new novelty on cable back then and I remember how pissed I was watching Denver getting buried by the Christmas blizzard while we looked out at snowless and brown ground. I was in eastern Genesee Cnty in Davison btw

7 hours ago, michsnowfreak said:

Two late snows. March 21 & April 17

Yeah, that spring equinox storm was a legit 10" in Genesee Cnty (NE part). Saved a complete dumpster fire winter. Chucked a bone for sure. 

7 hours ago, michsnowfreak said:

Not that its any consolation, but remember Im talking days with 1"+ snowcover, so that doesnt count days of a Trace snowcover (a dusting or patches). 

Honestly TN averages less lol. Knoxville averages 5 days per winter of 1"+ snowcover &  Nashville averages 6 days.

 

For Detroit, the longterm avg is 50 days.

 

Top 5 winters with least 1"+ snowcover days

10 days - 1936-37

11 days - 1931-32

12 days - 1918-19

15 days - 1982-83

16 days - 1952-53

 

Top 5 winters with most 1"+ snowcover days

96 days - 2013-14

91 days - 1977-78

89 days - 1947-48

89 days - 1981-82

86 days - 1966-67

 

Top 5 winters with least days of 0.1"+ snowfall

15 days - 1889-90

17 days - 1918-19

17 days - 1881-82

18 days - 1982-83

18 days - 1948-49

Top 5 winters with most days of 0.1"+ snowfall

62 days - 1925-26

61 days - 1884-85

56 days - 2013-14

52 days - 1880-81, 1892-93, 1903-04, 1911-12, 1985-86

 

Wowza at the minimum lists across. the. board. 

4 of 5 top snowcover winters during my lifetime. Never knew about 47-48 tbh. My folks had their 1st house on Panama St. in Warren then and I don't remember them ever mentioning a "harsh winter" before moving north to Genesee Cnty.

Surprised 1981-82 didn't make the list for frequent snowfalls. It was my first winter driving and it seemed to snow every other day where I was near KFNT.   

3 minutes ago, SolidIcewx said:

How did your side of Canton fare from those severe storms in late August?

Oh, we had flooding here, the small stream that runs right through my complex was 6X it's normal width and way over it's banks. Parking lots were small ponds, but the worst was just a mile or so SW of mby. I feel fortunate to have not personally been ill-affected. Lost power in the March snowstorm which was no fun at all. The minor twister(s) were also about 2-3 miles SW of here. Were they near your place at all?

7 hours ago, michsnowfreak said:

I remember back in the day when the weather forums were at its peak, which also coincided with several severe winters, we had a group of folks who were big into the whole "give me a good storm" but disliked cold/snowcover. We had several good winter storms and extremely scenic snowfalls last year (White Christmas, Jan 22, Jan 25, Feb 22, Mar 3, Mar 10), just couldnt sustain anything. So I can see how someone with certain "requirements" as to what makes a good winter liked last winter.

 

When youre talking about seeing 41% more snow in 2011-12, were you just talking Feb? Couldnt possibly be the season as a whole. Last Feb sucked snowfall wise, but talk about being due for a sh*t Feb after our historic stretch of snowy Febs.

 

Lastly, Im a bit confused about the last line. Last winter was a below avg snow season (though I wouldnt call it "well below") with 2021-22 slightly above avg and the previous two seasons right near avg.

DTW snow the last 4 seasons

2022-23: 37.1" (-6.9")

2021-22: 47.1" (+3.1")

2020-21: 44.9" (+0.9")

2019-20: 43.7" (-0.3")

 

FNT snow the last 4 seasons

2022-23: 46.5" (-1.8")

2021-22: 60.5" (+12.2")

2020-21: 48.6" (+0.3")

2019-20: 53.7" (+5.4")

Back in 11-12, I wasn't taking daily snow fall measurements, just seasonal totals. I had 47.2" surprisingly enough. Caught the jack-zone with the 11-29-11 storm, and January was actually decent (check KBTL to confirm).

My personal string is due to Marshall being in a dead zone 3 winters ago, then I moved to Canton and found another screw zone here the past two winters. To be clear I consider 2019-20 to be an AVG season. Comfortably within the +/-5% window I personally use for that ranking. Not sure what exactly the official record uses for determinations? 

Last 4 winters for mby: amt/avg/depart.

2022-23: 33.5"/45"/-9.5"

2021-22: 35.6"/45"/-9.4"

2020-21: 36.2"/49.7"/-13.5"

2019-20: 48.0"/49.7"/-1.7"

10 hours ago, Lightning said:

You missed the point of my post but that's okay. 

Looking just at MBY then I will say I absolutely hated the warmth of Jan & Feb.  I am a skier and the SE MI hills condition were horrid this past winter.  I will say though at least they were mostly open as I have seen winters in which the hills around here were closed more than open. 

MBY did just fine as I ended up with near to slightly AA snowfall.  Loved the white Christmas in which is snowed light/moderately all day.  Plus many pretty cool events!!

Living in SE MI I learned each winter is different from the previous.  Averages are just averages with reality being all over the map.

I did not realize Detroit area has had 3 well BA snowfall winters in a row.  MBY is different as the last time I had what I would call a well BA snowfall winter was 16-17 winter.  It might depend on your definition of well BA.  As for me it would be >10" below the average.

They have not. That's for mby in two different locales.

/\ I'm calling for SEWI to roast. I mean literally it's going to catch fire and burn-up completely at this rate! Any sane person would get the h*ll out of Dodge! 

On 10/7/2023 at 7:56 AM, michsnowfreak said:

Measurable snowfall (0.1"+). In a Great Lakes climate where the snow season often spans 6 months of the year, it's pretty much impossible to not see multiple days of snow, even in the absolute worst winters (1889-90 was a historically bad winter until Feb). The winter with the least amount of days with 1"+ snowcover was 1936-37 with just 10 days. This is also the least snowy winter on record (12.9").

Its harder for you having lived in several places, but pick your least favorite winter (for me it's either 1997-98 or 2011-12) and look at the actual stats and see how even in the worst of times the days with snow do add up somewhat in the end.

Uggh! and here I thought 15 days would be horrid, thus why I said "pls say snowfall". That's less than 2 wks of the entire 6 month "window". May we never go through that part of the larger cycle. What is that, like equal to the average for places in TN?

8 hours ago, Brian D said:

Chilly days, and nights now with a freeze warning for tomorrow a.m. in NE MN. That should be the last issuance for us. N WI still may get one yet, but growing season is over around here.

Looking like we in The Mitt will escape formal frost headlines by a slim margin. Would've been great for the prime color period but not happening despite the CPC's outlook calling for such.

On 10/5/2023 at 5:02 PM, michsnowfreak said:

Because you painted it as I recall lol. We had several good Winter storms here. But definitely not my favorite winter.

Far from a "fave" actually, very far..

On 10/5/2023 at 5:04 PM, Stebo said:

Last winter was fine and didn't linger into April too much.

You have the bar set pretty darn low my man.

On 10/5/2023 at 6:14 PM, Lightning said:

I wouldn't say last winter was crap at all.  Brother-in-law near Tahoe had record snows.  Sister in Wyoming had near record snows.  Nephew in MN had record snows.  Friends in Buffalo with record snows.  Family on the west side of MI had two of their largest LES events in several years.  

Well, not if you're citing all those other places, lol. But what about HERE??

Personally, for me, it was (like the other poster said) void of redeeming qualities. BN in every category unless ice is your thing. A nearly snowless Feb (one of the "should be a lock" winter months) was really lame. To paint a better image, I saw 41% MORE snow in 11-12! 

As my 3rd well BN snow season, plus a near avg season prior, I personally should be "due", lol. 

On 9/23/2023 at 12:14 AM, SolidIcewx said:

https://www.mlive.com/weather/2023/09/today-in-michigan-weather-history-this-up-town-had-a-record-snowfall.html

Ironwood MI in 1995 got over 6 inches of snow

There was a decent covering of SN after squalls hit in the Higgins Lk region of the LP on the evening of 9-19-95 four days prior. My personal earliest ever experienced. 

I'm 10 mi NNW of DTW on the edge of the burbs. Normally temps stay up here compared to the countryside 5 miles west. The couple mornings in August in the high 40's was surprising and it's been a very moist summer. The entire month of August felt more like September had arrived ahead of schedule. Sometimes months swap places like that. 

On 10/2/2023 at 2:26 PM, michsnowfreak said:

I think that's a pretty safe bet lol.

 

For Detroit, the least amount of days with measurable snow in a season is 15 days in 1889-90.

Measurable snowfall, or snow OTG?? Please say snowfall, lol.

Nice look. Too bad it is not heavier. Still a nice break from the AZ summer treatment