RogueWaves

7 hours ago, Chinook said:

What will the NWS web page, and really, the entire weather enterprise, look like without ADVISORIES, which I believe will not exist as of 2024? It would be so strange not to see any winter weather advisory on the map.

As far as I'm concerned, they can lose Wind Advisories without anyone noticing. The last two here have been a day most accurately described as "breezy" in traditional lingo. Those in the business of moving large plate glass into place might disagree, but what percent of the population do they represent? That tiny tiny minority can always seek private wx data. 

22 hours ago, michsnowfreak said:

Yes Feb has killed it. In 2021 we had 11" of snow on Feb 15-16 over a 5" base. In 2018 we had a 9" snow Feb 10 over a 6" base. But 2014 would be the last time we had deep snows over an already double digit base. 

Fun fact. The Winter with the most double digit inch snow depth days? 2013-14 by a mile. 2nd place? 2014-15. Sorry not sorry 1970s lol.

I don't think there was an I-94 focused winter during the 70's like we had this century. As said, the jack-zone against averages seems to have been a couple counties north where I was. As for double-digit snow cover days, for Marshall it goes like this: #1: 1981-82, #2: 1903-04, #3: 2013-14

 @ logging a winter under 0.5" total snowfall

On 2/7/2023 at 5:51 PM, michsnowfreak said:

Not true. For whatever reason clippers, while they occur, are just less frequent overall.  Locally we had more clippers but less snow overall in the 1990s then we get now. Go figure.

On 2/7/2023 at 7:32 PM, hardypalmguy said:

Yeah I remember clippers all the time as a kid. Now they are nonexistent.

Most of last winter was clippers delivering the goods here. They aren't extinct, just on the "rarely sighted" list

On 2/9/2023 at 10:29 PM, michsnowfreak said:

In 142 years of record, there have been 35 storms of 6"+ on/after March 1st at Detroit.

Way back (March 1900 or 1908) was the golden era iirc. Something crazy like 32" fell in the city inside of 7 days. Different times obv.

On 2/13/2023 at 8:49 PM, michsnowfreak said:

I estimate 4-5" of my 19.8" is lake effect or lake enhanced. 

Good call. I've recorded 4.3" as LES here.

23 hours ago, michsnowfreak said:

Models absolutely make it seem worse than it actually is. In the 23 years of this century, I've only seen 3 winters without a 6"+ snowstorm (2015-16, 2011-12, 2003-04). 

For me, 6+ storms the last 10 winters:
Jan 25, 2023: 6.2"
Feb 17/18, 2022: 6.8"
Feb 2/3, 2022: 9.3" (2 waves 6.0+3.3)
Feb 15/16, 2021: 10.8" 
Jan 18, 2020: 7.0"
Nov 11/12, 2019: 8.8"
Jan 19, 2019: 6.1"
Feb 9, 2018: 9.2"
Dec 13/14, 2017: 6.7"
Dec 11, 2016: 10.9"
Feb 1/2, 2015: 16.5"
Mar 12, 2014: 6.8"
Feb 5, 2014: 8.3"
Jan 26/27, 2014: 6.1"
Jan 5/6, 2014: 10.3"
Jan 1/2, 2014: 11.6"
Dec 13/14, 2013: 8.4"
 

What a difference a few counties west makes. During the 3 seasons you didn't score a 6+ event here in Wayne Cnty, I scored 5:

Jan 27/28, 2004: 7.8"
Nov 29, 2011: 8.5"
Nov 22, 2015: 12.5"
Feb 24/25, 2016: 11.6"
Mar 1-3, 2016: 7.0"

The #wildtimes were 14/15/16 winters with a total of 14 Storm Warnings in Marshall during those 3 winters. I'm sure that beats even the vaunted 70s for number of storms in any 3 winter stretch. 

Soooo close! yet so far away for Chicago Peeps

On 2/12/2023 at 4:11 PM, michsnowfreak said:

Not really. We've gotten far more advisory and warning criteria snowstorms than Indiana and Ohio. It's the model fantasy storms that turn to dust that annoy us all. One of these days a storm is not gonna shear out and it will be like the boy who cried wolf. No one will believe it and someone will get absolutely buried.

We just had one that didn't fall apart, but actually held serve. Wasn't as big as it could have been with mid-20s temps, but it was a legit warning level event. For me personally, I cannot count the 3 other warned events as legit (all were sub-6" and more like a good WWA). Going back to Feb '21 that gets me 2 legit storms in two calendar years. I'm not on fire, lol. As you noted, those just south have had it even worse overall. There's always that to beat our chests over I suppose. As you also said, the model trash has been brutal making things feel worse than it actually is.

2 hours ago, Hoosier said:

lol

Posted the same thing with a comment about how that's been a common theme in recent winters. We be in the sux zone lately after a strong run. 

23 hours ago, michsnowfreak said:

Meaning I have an 8 hour drive (staying in L'anse near the Keweenaw) And some sort of storm looks like a certainly statewide later Thursday into Thursday night.

Looking good for you to rendezvous with a storm in progress. That's the best adventure if you ask me. When I chased the 3/5/12 Big Dawg in Traverse, M-72 was near impassible for non-4x4 vehicles. It was like 1-1/2 lanes. #funtimes!

On 2/10/2023 at 3:09 PM, A-L-E-K said:

insane, let's play it back

Took my girls shopping the Miracle Mile during that weekend - was awesome!

18 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said:

Thursday is my travel day to the UP. I may be leaving early in the morning

Meaning wat??

4 hours ago, michsnowfreak said:

The usual caveats apply, but the weeklies bring Winter back from late February lasting right through March

 

 

They said the same thing a month ago that the cold would/could last well into Feb. We see how that worked out. The pattern is what it is this season. Third week cold spell of a week or two, then major retreating of the arctic air. The pending outcome of this recent SWE ofc could be the one reason this time it breaks differently but I'm not ready to bite quite yet. 

1 hour ago, Stevo6899 said:

Well duh djf are best for snowcover. True winter storms, only occur in that 3 month window. I guess thats just the way it is. It's been 6 years since I've been in a snowstorm. Definitly miss it. Hopefully there's one before this winters over and I can fly home for it. Its been above average 10 degrees down here, 85 almost every day.

Growing up in Genesee Cnty, March and even early April delivered some huge storms on a fairly regular basis. I don't think DET made out very well in those however. Now we've been in this era when Feb has stolen all of March and January's thunder. Hopefully you find yourself in a storm soon. Six years is forever waiting for a storm. Two years between good storms was bad enough lol

1 hour ago, RCNYILWX said:

Beavis is next level lol. Would probably find a way to complain if he lived in the mountains in Utah where one of the ski resorts has had almost 500" this winter already.

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Same!! I was 6/7/8 years old during those winters. Plowed snow 10-12 feet deep and drifts that came down the rear roof of the house in a continuous sheet from the chimney to the ground… snow so frozen we walked to school on top of the snow without breaking through… that’s what I thought winter always was!!

Beavis

4 hours ago, beavis1729 said:

That sucks...even our friends at 45N can't escape the misery of this winter.

Hopefully you can retain a decent snow cover.

When I was in NMI, I remember snowmobiling when it was in the 50's and skiing when it was in the 60's. Both were great experiences. Winter doesn't have to be endless below zero, lol. 

6 hours ago, michsnowfreak said:

It's gross out with temperatures in the 50s. The snow, which had covered the ground since Jan 22, has now melted (Except for piles).

Yep. Nice 17 day stretch of snow cover, but doin' grass again

20 hours ago, cyclone77 said:

It's 51 here at nearly 1am.  Not too shabby for early-mid Feb.

Shades of '98

3 hours ago, Chinook said:

snowflake pic that I put on my web page

Under "Endangered Species"?

8 hours ago, michsnowfreak said:

A spring snow can be incredibly scenic while it's going on and shortly thereafter, but you want to forget about snow cover by that point.  We've had a 2-5" type snowfall 3 years running now in late April (Apr 17, 2020, Apr 20, 2021, Apr 18, 2022). Makes for incredible photo ops but is mostly gone in a day or two.  It's been nice the past few weeks to have a solid snowpack but the coming week looks like crap. Quite optimistic for later February into March tho.
 

Caught stretching, lol. DTW had depth of 0" before the morning of the 23rd (you can't count the day of our first snowfall on the 22nd a "pack" since it was new). Therefore to my counting we're at 13 days including today the 4th. I have enjoyed this snow cover and its origin storm much better than either of last winter's systems despite all the warmth during and after the storm itself. The amount of snow on the trees was like nothing I can remember save perhaps for 11/29/11 which was a good wet plastering as well. 

On 2/3/2023 at 1:25 PM, CheeselandSkies said:

I bet Beavis would have thoroughly loved the Midwest winters of the late '70s. I'm not sure if he's old enough that he remembers them from his childhood or what (I'm about ten years too young for that) but one of my other hobbies is railfanning, and I've often seen photos from that era of train crews battling huge piles of snow. In fact, those winters contributed to crippling the already struggling Milwaukee Road (Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific Railroad) leading to its demise in the mid-'80s.

I could see how someone who came of age in that era could get the impression that was "normal" climo for a 40-44°N winter.

My main interest in weather is severe local storms (and chasing them) so I'm here to discuss that. Of course that requires warm, humid conditions to thrive, so to me a Wisconsin winter is something to be endured/tolerated only because it leads into spring chase season (which hasn't exactly been blockbuster in most recent years, either). I can appreciate a good photogenic snowfall or ice event, but not if I have to travel in it and I certainly could do without my constantly bleeding/itching knuckles on days like today.

Guilty. 

After the pathetic stretch of 87/88/89 winters in SEMI, I could and DID move to the NWMI snow-belts. Not every winter is great there, but during my 7 years there, I got to experience some of the region's more historic winters. I lived in Beavis' winter paradise. 

Beavis approved climo

9 hours ago, hardypalmguy said:

So my call was right in late December / early January. Epic torch!

Jump in your time machine and get back to 1880 when things were really cookin'

On 1/29/2023 at 6:49 PM, michsnowfreak said:

When I drove by this huge snowman, along a main road, this afternoon, I literally lol'd and had to turn around for a pic. Wish I got a better one.

 

My sister and her fam made one that included some sizeable boobs as well, lol. Back in the 90's iirc