weatherpruf

I hope not.Nothing is more unsettling than 70 temps in Jan, even Feb. In March i can accept it. Would love to see more of it in April and May.....Some are seeing a turnaround after the warmth. We'll see.

Sheesh and now to the 15th....losing some of the prime winter days to warmth. And that map looks really warm.

Don't forget the Outer Limits, which many people think is on par with Twilight, but I never got into it.

If you hate winter, as a lot of my cohort does, there is not, nor has there been, any kind of warmth to get excited over. These folks want sunny and 80 all year round. " At least it isn't snow" is all I hear in winters like this.

And they are complaining about it loudly already. My BIL was livid his stepson took his snow broom ( whatever that is ) to work with him and he couldn't clean the snow off the deck today.

I used to watch that show as a kid, it was sort of a Twilight Zone ripoff with the events supposedly based on real events.

2018 and 2015 were not good Januaries for many of us.

Again, going with the theme that most people hate snow, my late father once complained to me after a Jan storm sometime in the 70's that, oh no, it will be on the ground till spring now....it used to be cold enough for a snow pack to last awhile at that time of year. Now we get 27 inchers that melt in a few days....

Very well...I remember being at the Philly zoo and people were wearing shorts....

And yet this very morning I had friends complaining about the freakin cold, as it was 38 degrees....this is an alternative universe compared to the rest of the world, which hates cold and hates snow even more. I don't know if it was 38 but I can say that I have been tossing the ball to the dog outside for a few days without a jacket on....

Probably because a cold snowy Dec ( which this is not ) is usually a good indicator or more goods ahead, but not always, and it would be foolhardy to bet against some kind of snow before winter ends. But, we do get those winters with paltry amounts, and they usually look wet and mild. 2002 was dry IIRC.

The last 10 winters, yes, but the last 3 no. It could be a long term trend or not. I guess my point was, perhaps not clear, is that the winters of my youth did not often have blockbuster winters that got 40-60 inches, granted it is not that long a period that I recall well, maybe a dozen years. But we did not have the kind of frequent storms we saw in 2011 or 2014, that I can recall. Also, this was a long time ago. I'm not young. I'm talking the 70's. We had some snow, but the only big one I recall was Feb 78. And that was 17 inches. And no one I knew had ever remembered anything like that. I was 14. It would be 1983 before we saw that again, and 1993 before we ( barely ) broke 10 inches. So it is not unusual to have mellow winters here, but they were colder on average. No tomato seedlings popping up in Dec like 2015.

So I went to Rutgers and they had the totals for my town as this: 2015-16, 33 inches ( 27 in one storm ),2016-17: 22 inches, 2018, 35 inches, 2019, 15 inches. If you go back further, sure. we had some big winters, but even then got a tad less than some nearby areas. Not sure why.

Can't argue with that. He was saying a few years back he expected some atmospheric cooling leading to colder winters. I got better luck asking an astrologist.

I would actually have to check; I know they usually go with New Brunswick, but there were some storms, like 2018, where they had close to a foot and we had 3-4 inches, 15 minutes down the tpk. No big storms here at all since 2016. 16-17 and 17-18 were really unremarkable here. I often had coworkers come in to work from Monmouth Cty or the hills of N Jersey and they couldn't believe how little we had. Pick a storm, we underperformed. I often got heat here from people who didn't believe me, most of them gone the last two years due to lack of storms, thank goodness.One day in March 2018 we had about 3 inches, heck two times, and people were jumping on me telling me that's not possible, as if I can't see for myself and report accurately. Same thing during the "bomb" cyclone; it just wasn't happening here and we topped out at just under 7. Colleagues had over a foot 20 minutes down the parkway. I really don't know why, during one storm JM ? said it was subsidence and dry air. Mostly the bands skirt east of us for some reason, or we are too close to the bay. Don't know. It's unusual to jackpot here, 2016 and Boxing Day were exceptions.

He is close to worthless and I pay him no mind. But even a stopped clock....you have people right here that are much better at weather than he is, free of charge.

Been under average for a few years, only got there in 2016 due to the blizzard. The area around eastern Middlesex County has not done well in relation to areas close by, just as when I was young and elevation and latitude mattered. I am specifically responding to Snoski who is close to me.

Sometimes we can sneak in a wet snow event in early Feb...but it seems we are getting into some stinky winters. Been a few years now, and a number of misses for our area. Just like when I was a kid, only without the brutal cold...

It's winter, we're more likely to see some snow than not, so there's that....completely snowless or very low snow winters are not the norm either, though we've had some stretches, 97-01 being the longest in recent decades...where nothing much happened.

Some epic stinkers in there, makes me wonder just how predictive all this really is. That 87 storm surprised me; that had to be more than 8.1 in the suburbs; it was a particularly disastrous one, starting late morning and getting to whiteout conditions by noon.

I do remember experts saying that they did not expect such a parade of storms in 10-11, and had not called for it, but the -NAO overrode the conditions. That is how I recall the discussion anyway.

You are right about fishing, and yes i am looking to go where the weather is more amenable to that at some point. I believe we have not exceeded our averages by much if at all in terms of snowfall, not in my region. Mild winters around here DO NOT mean better fishing; the ocean is still cold enough, and rough enough ( as "mild" warmups are often accompanied by strong southerly winds ) that it has no real benefit. The fish are still offshore and cost lots of money to get to. And the limits on them hardly make it worthwhile. I don't care for frequent huge blizzards either, to be honest ( although they are cool once in awhile....and they only really happen once in awhile )but some 6-8 inch events every year would be nice to see. Instead, we are getting those cold rains in April and May, then more rainy weather in October. And don't forget the frequent tropical storms offshore in late summer; each one roils the ocean for a week. It has been really tough. 60 degree days in December and fresh herbs still coming out of my garden as of this morning, I find extremely disturbing. I have people in Maine, and i would not choose to live there, but not because of the snow ( which they handle very well ) but because there isn't enough going on unless you like chopping a lot of wood, and I can attest to that after going there yearly for 20 years. I've seen many, many winters that are a "warm" drizzly sulk. These kinds of winters are actually more depressing for most people than snow, which actually lifts peoples' moods. Frankly though, if it weren't for some snow, I wouldn't even choose to live in a place like this. Again, who needs a whole season of cool rain? I'd go where the weather is actually nice in the winter. Probably will. Cheers.

Haven't you had your fill? I mean, much warmer than what we've had and we might as well be in S Carolina...and I don't just mean this year. Mild winters have been the norm in my lifetime, outside a few wild years in the 2000's and 2 years in the 90's...

It was not for many, many people here as well. One storm delivered 6-8 in March for us, the last one. Even the Jan storm struggled to get above 6 here. It has been years since we've seen more than around 6-8 for even a really good storm here. Now that's fine with me, if they happen a few times. If you're at elevation, different story. But I gotta say, I'm not missing the cold that much. It'll be back.

Jan 2016 around here....other than that its been some March storms where I broke the snowblower out just to get it running, as there really is no need to to clean a few inches of snow in March. With rare exceptions ( IMBY ) like March 93, it's going to be gone in a day or two. Sometimes the same day!