Stebo

As he should pay it back. Also maybe he should offer his workers better pay to keep them on instead of firing them.

No it isn't but employers forcing people back to work like that or firing them is just a horrible business model. Those employees had every right to complain. I call his county stupid because he keeps using it as an anecdote to prove a point. He has done this for years, you know that.

All the counties around him except for Shiawassee have higher case rates and higher death rates.

If the money was paid up front then he committed fraud by firing the people. Sounds like some classy business practice up there in Howell.

Did he collect the money first? If so then he committed fraud.

Yeah he fired them instead, so he should have gotten nothing.

Your county isn't the state and the virus wasn't just localized to your county. Just because the deaths were limited there to elderly doesn't remotely mean they were across the state. Stop acting like that stupid county remains in a vacuum.

I find it quite ironic that you see no issue with the guy who took PPP money yet forced his workers back and then fired them when they didn't come back. You say this as a business owner as well. Also quit with this bullshit, the deaths were across the board in the state and in the metro area. Why you are freely allowed to post complete bullshit, I have no idea.

Then people move onto other job opportunities, people have mentioned in this thread that there are plenty of open jobs out there now.

Herman Cain's death was completely avoidable, especially at his age and previous medical issues. It is just ignorance to put yourself in jeopardy like that.

Unemployment isn't permanent for one, and all that study proves is that the American worker is grossly underpaid.

In a global pandemic, the states take guidance from the feds on how to react. This time there was limited guidance at the start when there should have been much more.

Anyone who believes this was a "plandemic" is just an idiot. I have no other way to put it.

It would be because of our lack of response especially at the federal level. Incompetence all around.

That seems like an anecdote without any sourcing. And the second part of your post makes me believe it isn't true. Most testing places are drive up without precheck.

No industry is staying closed forever, the only thing that might go a bit by the wayside is the bar industry. Maybe that is a good thing, we don't need bars on every corner. The bar atmosphere has been going down with the current generation outside of colleges. Most everything else has reopened or working remotely.

People aren't quitting their jobs for a temporary gain. It is asinine to suggest that.

Yeah that region has been experiencing incredible heat. Baghdad has been 123 125 124 the last 3 days, 124 was their all time record until yesterday and that was set back only 5 years ago.

It could be a combination of both, lower income/blue collar people in general are more prone to having worse impacts of viruses as they don't keep up with normal checkups/maintenance.

The deaths here happened early when no one knew what was going on. Now we have a better idea on treatment which is why deaths aren't rising quite dramatically. They are still going up but no where near the magnitude of before.

It is a combination of several reasons, some of which you already hit on, keeping people home and keeping the economy from falling off a cliff. The other issues are the capping of unemployment is so low even in this state it is 360 a week. That is barely much above minimum wage at 40 hours. Combine that with other states where it is even lower per week. Also the expectation was this wasn't going to last just a couple of weeks and unless we want to see the middle class run into massive amounts of foreclosure or evictions there had to be more put in. This is basically money to save their houses though I do think 600/week is too much, I would go with 100% pay capped at 800 a week or current unemployment + 300-400 a week more. All these things combined would be why it is higher. The main thing is not killing the housing market because not only does that hurt those who get evicted/foreclosed on but that also hurts those who don't as it causes property values to plummet, see 2007-2009 for example.

Yep, and that 1200 dollars or more depending upon dependents was spent on things to keep the economy rolling. Hell my brother's family got $3900 with 2 adults and 3 kids. Of course they were spending some of that money on stuff.

They were still only 20-25% of workers in that range that were laid off though. It isn't as big as you want to state, no matter what you 'think'.

Bingo this is exactly what I meant.

Like mentioned above, most of those people were still working. Around 75% of all workers remained working.