Bubbler86

It is going to need some more shovels to dig under us right now. :-)

Went back to this and found the answer. 1950's. This article discusses this topic but questions older measurements from the 70's and back at climate reporting sites and 50's and back at airports. __ Official measurement of snowfall these days uses a flat, usually white, surface called a snowboard (which pre-dates the popular winter sport equipment of the same name). The snowboard depth measurement is done ideally every 6 hours, but not more frequently, and the snow is cleared after each measurement. At the end of the snowfall, all of the measurements are added up for the storm total. NOAA’s cooperative climate observers and thousands of volunteers with the Community Collaborative Rain, Hail and Snow (CoCoRaHS), a nationwide observer network, are trained in this method. This practice first became standard at airports starting in the 1950s, but later at other official climate reporting sites, such as Manhattan’s Central Park, where 6-hourly measurements did not become routine until the 1990s. https://news.ucar.edu/14009/snowfall-measurement-flaky-history

Just need the harbinger of the cold to round the bend further south so this is not a green freeze. If we can get that shortwave under us it could be a decent snow.

Well this would put a dent into all these positive departures from the last 2 days

Just not digging enough.

Looks almost exactly like the result from this past weekend though the LP is a bit lower in pressure.

I am a little tied up today but did just do some searching for snowboard history but did not find much (the sport of snowboarding was invented in 1965 though)!. I thought I remembered people using snowboards in the 80's. I was too young to know stuff like that prior.

Thanks. Although the spike in 15+" snows starts exactly when it went from CXY to MDT I feel confident the station change is not the sole reason for this as MDT is notoriously stingy with reporting totals.

52 here this AM. Got up to 49 yesterday then fell back to 42 before spiking 10 degrees the last few hours. Only snow left is in grocery store parking lot piles.

Wow, this is great, thank you. So the data does show we have had less of the moderate snows falls in the last 2-3 decades but it goes beyond that with less snow fall events all together. Also MDT only had 1 snowfall over 15" during the 45 year period of 1948-1992 and then a Bigly 7 over the 25 year period 93-18. Something has changed whether global warming or another natural climate phenomena. I have another observation. Even if public internet had existed for all of that first 45 year period, boards like this would not be nearly as popular as they are now as many people here live for the MECS and HECs. Having 7 in the last 25 years has spurred on this hobby.

Yea, I was speaking for my temp but York is already up to 46 so it was not far fetched for anyone in the LSV. Should go down a bit when the rain arrives but rise over night.

Already up to 42 here. 50's here we come.

38 degrees with a DP of 26 here now so what limited ice treat my area had has passed. Snow Pack is going to be down to piles by evening.

Because every model is woefully incorrect longer than a few days out so they are all just as good as the other. Even the Euro though it seems to jump a bit less vs slowly change to where it is no where near where it was a week before.

Someone could have slipped on that so close call for you guys!

And the FV3 hits you guys with 3 snows in the next 7 days. Dynamic pattern between trailing lows and clippers but something to track.

I looked for snowfalls of 10" or over in that Millersville thread I posted and the last 9-10 years does come in first. Quick scan so could be off by one on any given decade 2010's-7 2000's-3 1990's-4 1980's-2 1970's-4

Here is an interesting link from Millersville. Just change the date portion of URL for the decade. Quick scan on the 70's, 80's and 2000's shows 90-100 snowfalls each decade (taking out trace records). The 90's certainly stands out as having less than 90 snowfalls but the highest total snowfall of any of these decades. http://www.atmos.millersville.edu/~wic/climo/snow1980s.htm

This is what I use and shows daily records as needed. I just did not go back and verify my thoughts vs. comparing how winters seem to play out now and how I remember them. https://w2.weather.gov/climate/xmacis.php?wfo=ctp

I alluded to this possibility before in comparing winters of the past to now...Climate change and winter weather (modeled or actual). Unfortunately I do not have the data to back up anything but I feel something has changed since 20-30 years ago. Whether that something also changed 20-30 years before that or we are in a whole new territory, the data would need to be parsed to confirm that. MDT's average snowfall seems to be near or above average the last 5-10 years but the amount of snowfalls feels less re: We get most of our snowfall in large chunks compared to the frequent 2-6" types snows in the 70's-90's. This does not just relate to the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic either so it is not just an IMBY issue. Winters in the Southeast used to include frequent rainy periods when systems would form in or near the Gulf and slide over Florida or Georgia and either out to sea or up the coast. Over the past decade or two it is not happening that frequently anymore and is contributing to what seems like a never ending drought down there though this past summer has softened that a bit.

Without doing a study or verifying it seems to me that we are in the midst of a dearth of the old fashioned Low in Gulf track for several years now. Not a pattern expert by any means but I feel it is much more rare that we see any activity down there anymore and are having to rely on transferring scenarios much more often than 10-20 years ago.

I saw a PowerPoint last year that showed a timeline of the "FV3" going mainstream this month but as we have all seen, at least LR wise, verification's have been shoddy so they may have delayed it.

Icon Defense- I think the Icon ended up doing quite well, when comparing and verifying its SLP track from 5 days out, with the weekend event.

The photographer in the first pic seems scary close to the action.

Kind of looks snowy and icy Wed AM in Central PA. North and South. Could be snow two days in a row if the Thursday wave comes to fruition.