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Probably see a marginal risk for damaging wind gusts out in NY/PA for Sunday. Not a whole heck of a lot of instability but there should be a pretty solid looking forced line that develops right along the front.

I would take that...especially if we can pump the higher heights a bit farther west into Greenland

Verbatim, there would probably be a low topped line of convection with that front this upcoming weekend ahead of the cold front. There would likely be a pretty stout inversion though which would keep alot of the wind ay bay. Any wind would be very localized and within stronger pockets of convection. Sunday could be pretty gusty with steep llvl lapse rates and CAA.

Modeling is certainly much better than it used to be...I don't think there can be any argument about that. However, IMO I think the rate of improvement has definitely slowed some over the past 5-10 years. That s just my opinion though and I have nothing to really back that up. I'm sure all these model scores and graphs will say otherwise. As we all know, modeling and the atmosphere is extremely complex. For models to do what they do is beyond impressive. Ultimately, though I don't think models can be technically "wrong". The solution of a model is based on how the model is evolving the atmosphere and all the pieces. Now the model can be wrong in how everything evolves but that doesn't mean the output is wrong. In terms of forecasting, I think it really comes down to experience, knowledge of fundamental forecasting, and at least a basic understanding of atmospheric physics. Forecasting is just more than looking at models and interpreting the output. It always makes me cringe when people will say "models will change" or "nobody knows what models will do". Those who have a superior understanding of the physics can probably gather better insight into which model may perform better or why one model is struggling versus another. Expectations and society also play a big factor. Now, everyone wants pinpoint and detailed forecasts for a specific location 3-4-5+ days out. That is not realistic in many situations. Social media has led to irresponsibility sharing information and products (i.e. snow maps) and expectations and reality become distorted. You're totally right, there is no easy answer but it is a combination of so many different factors, but it is indeed an interesting discussion.

That's what also pisses me off about this AI voodoo crap. It's all really just crap. If a model at D5 is showing a solution and then wavers back-and-forth up until the day of the event and ended up being what the model showed at D5....IT IS STILL crap because how the hell are you supposed to know at D5 that solution would be correct? It wasn't correct because it kept going back and forth like a tennis ball across the court.

It's almost even pointless to look at models beyond 5 days I mean the last 2-3...maybe 3-4 winters modeling has been awful. I don't care what some graph of Z-scores at H5 show. The model-to-model consistency has been trash, the model run-to-model run has been trash, and confidence even inside 24 hours on many storms has been brutal at times. Even the ENS haven't been particularly reliable. We've had some instances where ENS probs of 6''+ were greater than 50% which turned into crap.

Some just set themselves up for failure with how they're evaluating and interpreting long-range guidance. An OP solution showing a 982mb passing over the benchmark does not mean there is a credible storm threat. A 384 hour snowfall map showing 30-40'' of snow does not mean there are credible storm threats. All anyone should be looking at in the long-range is how the pattern is evolving. Some see the GFS show a blizzard at D12 and it's "let the tracking begin".

I'm hoping to spend more time digging into the MJO. I'm pretty happy with the progression I've made this past year with digging into seasonal forecasting but one area I haven't had the opportunity to dig into yet is the MJO. I was starting to question myself a few weeks ago (and then got COVID so last week was a drag just to work) about how I thought tropical forcing west of the dateline was good for us (that's what my composites seemed to elicit) but if this is where MJO phases are warmer for us then something must be off with what I was doing.

Nope and that's what I'm hold out hope on. Ultimately, I don't think we really need the MJO to get into more favorable phases. I would probably rather the MJO just kind of peter out all together and become a weak signal. But seeing how right now much is relied on tropical forcing...it's really anyone's guess on how everything progresses during the second half of the month. Models still struggle mightily with MJO waves/tropical forcing. If we can get these changes to start showing face on short-term guidance (inside 72 hours) we may have something.

As optimistic as I am about January and February, if this becomes a situation where we have to rely on the MJO to get into more favorable phases and become fixated there for a bit...I'm going to start to worry some.

Maybe I'm delirious because I'm pretty sick and these Mucinex extra strength are overpowering me but reading through this thread today at points I've started to think, "well crap maybe winter is cooked". Then I realize... IT'S DECEMBER 2

Gotcha, thanks. Thought the correlation strengthened as winter progressed.

1) The structure and placement of the blocking in the Arctic isn't very favorable for loading cold into the NE. 2) The correlation between AO/NAO and NE temperatures is much stronger moving towards January and for February than it is November into December.

Glad to hear!

How is the -PDO not encouraging? -PDO/EL Nino combo's can be fine. Below are a list of winters which featured a -PDO during an EL Nino. Certainly, you can see one of the biggest differentiators in the hemispheric pattern is tied into whether blocking develops and how prominent blocking can become.

I think this is the longest I've ever been sick outside of like 2015 when I had a sinus infection and I was sick for like a month...but that's because I didn't realize it was a sinus infection and left it untreated. When I had covid the first time I was sick for like a day-and-a-half. Both my girlfriend and I have been sick since Monday. I really hope we can try and reschedule this. Maybe shoot for the spring?

My girlfriend and I are still quite sick so it’s definitely a no go .

I'm thinking a strip of 10-16'' possible where the heaviest banding occurs and confidence seems to be increasing such a band will materialize. Certainly some support for 2''+ per hour rates based on some of the bufkit data.

this could be a fun little "surprise" for some. Might be a forecasting nightmare though for areas borderline. Some of those borderline locations end up a smidge colder and its easily close to several inches given the rates.

Looks like the 18z NAM coming onboard for Sun into Mon too

Seems like the Euro gets several inches for PWM

Euro seems to look good up north. Looks like a heafy band would materialize

GFS bufkit is pretty hefty thumping for PWM for a period.

It's certainly cutting it close. Some minor ticks in each direction on the GFS would be pretty huge in terms of result. If the Euro can remain steadfast at 12z that may be enough to increase the excitement level a bit, but want to at least see these subtle trends through 0z tonight/12z tomorrow.

Yeah looking at the GFS I think PWM would probably start as rain but verbatim would probably flip over to snow, especially with heavier rates.