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3 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said:

Heading out to a restaurant where I will possibly be tasting fermented shark.   Forget the ‘vid, this might kill me

Ugh I've seen that on the travel Channel. Looks gross. I still haven't tried seal here. Good luck! 

Just now, weathafella said:

There it is, the Fauci bashing....

Dr. Fauci is one of the most brilliant scientists of the generation.   I’ve been following his work for 40 years.  However, as a fellow son of a pharmacist I was appalled at his first ball in DC fiasco at the game last year.

Lol that was a terrible pitch

Just now, BuffaloWeather said:

New research out of ICL has found fully vaccinated individuals are 3x LESS likely to test positive for SARS-CoV-2 than unvaccinated individuals AND are LESS likely to pass the virus on to others, due to having a smaller viral load on average and therefore shedding LESS virus.

 

I mean that makes sense! lol 

2 minutes ago, kdxken said:

I'm not, you and OSU are the ones claiming the spread is due to the unvaccinated. What I'm saying is the vaccinated spread it as well.

I said it's less likely, not that vaccinated people never spread it. 

Just now, winterwx21 said:

Things have really changed with the Delta variant. Much more easy for vaccinated people to catch and spread the Delta Variant. Other countries that actually count the breakthrough cases are reporting large numbers of breakthrough cases with the Delta variant. Iceland has 93% of its above 16 years old population vaccinated, yet they're seeing a major Delta surge. I posted an article where the chief epidemiologist of Iceland talks about how vaccinated people are easily catching and spreading the Delta variant. And who knows how much worse it will be with future variants. Hopefully vaccines won't become less and less effective with each variant.

Iceland has had a very modest pandemic from the beginning. I have seen their last wave...but its really small in the grand scheme and has only featured a single death I believe. I would assume hospitalizations are also very low. 

If the Ro of Delta is indeed near 6, then you would expect a fair amount of spread with a population that's about 70-75% fully vaccinated (I think including kids matters in the R calculation). 

I think there has been some drop in effectiveness against delta in terms of infection, but haven't seen anything suggesting a drop in effectiveness against hospitalizations and death. 

Just now, kdxken said:

Aren't they the experts?

I mean in the sense that the findings were improperly communicated, and then the media fearmongered about it. 

Just now, kdxken said:

Between January 4 and February 28, 2021. Wouldn't that be before the Delta variant?

I think delta existed at that time, but it wasn't the vast majority of cases like it is now. 

14 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said:

This afternoon car thermo was reading 19C.   So 66F or so.   Sun feels strong though. Plus it doesn’t set until after 10.   Our hotel room (plus restaurants and stores) is very warm. 

Ive been enjoying your Iceland pics. 

1 minute ago, kdxken said:

In yet another unexpected and unwelcome twist in the pandemic, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released on Friday a report strongly suggesting that fully immunized people with so-called breakthrough infections of the Delta variant can spread the virus to others just as readily as unvaccinated people.Jul 30, 2021

That was probably unwise. First, you have to be infected to transmit, and you're less likely to get infected in the first place. Ct values being similar at an instance in time dont tell the whole story. Vaccinated people clear the infection much quicker than unvaccinated. 

Just now, kdxken said:

Oh I understand that once vaccinated the virus becomes much less troublesome. Not sure there's any definitive proof that you are less likely to spread it once vaccinated. If you know of one please let me know.

There's been a bunch of studies that onward transmission is reduced. 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2107717

1 minute ago, kdxken said:

How about vaccinated folks without a mask? They can't spread it. Do you have a link to a study?

Vaccinated folks are far less likely to get symptoms, hospitalized, and die. They are less likely to get infected and less likely to spread it. 

44 minutes ago, WhitinsvilleWX said:

Like masking and distancing has done so much to get rid of this world wide.  So by all means, let’s do more if it. 
Pretty clear at this point the vax is only good for about 6-8 months. 
If your sick, stay home, drink fluids, take Tylenol. If your really sick, go to the hospital. Basically the same as we’ve done for the last several generations. This isnt going way. Learn to live with it or live in a closet with 5 masks and a face shield and wither your life away scared shyte less. 
I’ll take booster if it’s offered, and everyone should get vaxed. But society is going to have to move on or we become enslaved to it. 
Myself, I’d rather be 6 feet under than live masked, distanced and scared.

More ****ing bullshit. It never ends in here. 

1 hour ago, Baroclinic Zone said:

It's become far more politicized now that we've got vaccines out there and we as a Country are virtually wide open again.  There's polarizing talking points on both sides with little acceptance or compromise about some ways we can move forward and not backwards to where we were.  

This thread has been polluted for a long time. The anti vaxx crap and government conspiracy is not ****ing banter and it shouldnt ****ing be here. 

It's been a decently warm June so far too lol. Its just a coating where I actually live in center city closer to 250 ft asl...but Pippy Park at 700 ft is where I took pics. They'll probably pick up 4" up there before the night is over. 

3 hours ago, TimB84 said:

In two months I’ll be able to travel to Canada or Europe or New Zealand or wherever I want to go? I’m not sure I believe that.

I thought vaccinated Americans are good to go for many European countries? Also, I bet Canada opens to vaccinated Americans by that time. New Zealand is in a tough spot. While they've been good at keeping Sars cov 2, they haven't done a good job at procuring vaccines. They might not be open for some time. 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landia/article/PIIS2213-8587(21)00089-9/fulltext

This is the study RT was referencing. 

2 minutes ago, winterwx21 said:

This recent study found that severe Covid risk starts increasing with a BMI just above of 23, which is in the normal range but on the higher end of it. Each point higher than 23 resulted in a 10% increase in ICU admission...

https://www.rt.com/news/522682-obesity-coronavirus-young-study/

Do you have a link to the study? 

I meant to post this study earlier.

Body Mass Index and Risk for COVID-19–Related Hospitalization, Intensive Care Unit Admission, Invasive Mechanical Ventilation, and Death — United States, March–December 2020. (2021). 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7010e4.htm

ARR for death is 2.01 under 65 for BMI > 45 

ARR for death is 1.50 over 65 for BMI > 45

4 minutes ago, schoeppeya said:

Obesity is the largest co-morbidity of Covid. Obesity triples your likelihood of being hospitalized from coved. You cant control age, you can control obesity. Vaccines prevent covid, they don't cure fatness. 

We might have prevented like 10s of thousands of deaths if everyone were of normal BMI. Seriously. There was 600k deaths or so far (perhaps more). Maybe you prevent half the 20k deaths or so under 50. I'm all for health. But it's only going to make a dent because obesity is a much smaller issue for death above 65. 

1 minute ago, schoeppeya said:

Cool. 

Being overweight increases your chances of mortality for literally every leading cause of death. None of which the Covid vaccine is protectionary for. So yes, it is a bandaid in the sense that it will prevent Covid from killing you, but it will not prevent you from dying from the primary covid co mordbidity.

So full of shit.

 

Order of magnitude less consequential? That's a lie given the risk association with obesity and covid. The biggest risk by far is age. 

Vaccines prevent disease. They are not a band aid. 

The biggest risk of covid is by far age not being overweight. Being overweight is much more important if you're under 50...but given that covid deaths are far higher in the old...it doesn't have a large effect on the total mortality of the disease.

Vaccines are literally the ****ing solution to a once in a 100-year pandemic. It's not band aid. 

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

2 hours ago, schoeppeya said:

You’re talking about something that would have made the pandemic orders of magnitude less consequential- the pandemic cost us hundreds of thousands of lives it didn’t need to, and we won’t really know the economic implications of the policies we’ve executed for the next few years and even decades. And in the end, the vaccine might as well be a band aid for a lot of people in our country. And they will continue to slap more and more band aids on until there’s one that doesn’t work and being fat will still kill them in the end. 

So full of shit. 

13 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

Is it weird being right over the border and still locked down tight whereas America is opened back up and partying?

I went out to dinner the other night and listened to some irish music with my gf. So I would say Im doing alright. Thanks for asking, though. 

1 minute ago, Brian5671 said:

I wonder how long many of these testing sites will last.   CT is down to a couple hundred cases per day and falling....I'd guess you can always get a test at your dr's office....

I think we want most of them to shut down at some point, right? lol.