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Just now, schoeppeya said:

You literally won't even attempt to reason. Who is the troll?

lol. Face diapers and anti vax anti mask weirdos get no reaction from you. But calling those guys trolls? The humanity. Got the vapors now. 

Just now, dta1984 said:

It is amusing seeing the different tactics used by the hardcore pro vaxers.  There's been "the blood will be on your hands when this mutates!",  and " all the cool kids are doing it" now "it's common sense." 

Give it a ****ing rest. You're the only person that regularly posts in this thread lately that's anti vax. You have absolutely no self-awareness. You're the odd-ball, not the rest of us. There is literally a worldwide public health campaign to vaccinate the population. ****ing weirdo. 

1 minute ago, StormfanaticInd said:

There is still a huge segment of the population that refuses to get vaccinated thus the virus will still have plenty of host to mutate in

Idk how huge it is. We'll see. I think in the end it will be less than 30%. 

3 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

That's not going to stop anytime soon

I always wear my mask when I'm near someone but I still go out and enjoy life.

Vaccines are literally going into arms right now at amazing rates. COVID will slow down a lot in the next few months. Because of the vaccine distribution, there's a huge advantage right now in preventing needless infections and deaths. 

3 minutes ago, Malacka11 said:

Honestly, you just have to look at who's on your side of the argument. If by some cosmic mistake, I'd be of the opposing viewpoint, and I saw that clowns like this are on my side, I'd probably just jump ship on the spot.

Clowns to the left of me jokers to the right...

6 minutes ago, dta1984 said:

Nope no fears here.  I posted it as the reactions should be known in order to make an informed decision (along with talking to your doc).

You can't make an informed decision without the context...

3 minutes ago, dta1984 said:

I posted it and it was called anti vax

No one in this thread beside the doc who posts frequently would actually be able to figure out a real association of the complications and/or deaths with the vaccine. You only posted that to justify your own vaccine fears. Its meaningless without context. 

7 minutes ago, dta1984 said:

I'm sure this is an anti mask site though 

 

Alright fair enough. I did see the WHO comment on breathing, but didn't see any information on bacteria. 

16 minutes ago, dta1984 said:

Are masks required in gyms in Michigan?   Pretty sure the WHO says that is a cause of bacteria and not to wear one. 

Pretty sure that was never said. 

2 minutes ago, dta1984 said:

I'm guessing you're referring to my choice to wait for the vax (the other part about pharmaceutical industries is a fact).  Luckily we all get a choice.  If you disagree with it fine, but it's ones personal choice.  

All the vaccine data is open to the public, independent scientists, and governments. We are not reliant on the pharmaceutical industry only to say its safe. 

1 hour ago, schoeppeya said:

Maybe produce the same symptoms, but it won’t spread the same. The county next to my parents and the one they live in has had under 100 cases a day for close to two months now despite having a population of over half a million people. You think they should be legislated the same way as LA?

Williams County OH and LA County have nearly the same population fatality rate...slightly over .2%. They probably have different values but over time the basic viral dynamics are the same. 

18 minutes ago, schoeppeya said:

Same. I will add I also support every businesses or event holders right to require a vaccine card at their event. I don’t think many will, but they should be able to if that’s what they want to do.

I think the argument works better the other way. Like if I'm in Australia or New Zealand or Africa or the Middle East I wouldn't necessarily want a bunch of unvaccinated travelers coming in to cause an outbreak in a mostly naive population with lesser vaccine availability. 

Just now, Stebo said:

Well I see them more of a "can I go to the stadium" type passport since most travel is still closed.

I still don't get the point overall. The people who don't get the vaccine are mostly punishing themselves by taking the risk with the virus. I think this group will be relatively small. 20 to 30 percent at most? Once those who get vaccinated that want to we will almost surely be well beyond the herd immunity threshold between infections and vaccine. 

30 minutes ago, Stebo said:

Hell there isn't much international travel is even happening right now? Not much, we can cross that bridge when it is more applicable.

Vaccine passports as originally slated were/are definitely about international travel. I mean they're called passports for a reason lol. There will be inequitable vaccine distribution across the world for a few years. 

1 minute ago, TimB84 said:

How many people in these poor countries do we think don’t have access to the vaccine but have the means to travel internationally?

But I’m not necessarily just talking about international travel here, I’m talking about concerts, sporting events, etc.

I think the domestic arguments are stronger. But there's really no reason to screw countries internationally where there isn't enough vaccine for everyone. 

Just now, Stebo said:

Vaccines are free in a lot of cases and becoming widely available. You know where I stand on equity issues but that really runs out of steam when people can very easily get a shot if they haven't already.

Worldwide they aren't. And there is already significant signs that the vaccine rollout hasn't been particularly equitable in the US. Much easier for someone with consistent computer access to get an appointment, for example. 

14 minutes ago, schoeppeya said:

That’s a tricky one. Because there’s also a precedent to not require other vaccines (flu), which by all accounts thus far is much deadlier to school age individuals.

Seasonal flu seems about the same as covid for kids. 246 deaths so far under 17. But agreed. Also, can't require a vaccine for kids that's not approved yet for that population lol. I'm using the school requirements to show that there is precedence for a requirement when there is a compelling public health interest. 

17 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

And they should be prosecuted just like anyone else with a fake ID.

What about all the people in the rest of the world, especially in poor countries who don't yet have vaccine access (and may not for some time)? Are they just not allowed to travel? 

1 minute ago, MJO812 said:

Seriously

This is a free country . We don't have to do what the government asks. Not every American is going to get the vaccine .

You often need certain vaccines to attend public schools (childhood vaccines in elementary school and meningitis for college). Theres also legal precedence for the government mandate of vaccines in the US (see Jacobson v. Massachusetts (1905)).  

10 hours ago, RyanDe680 said:

Now we are complaining about a vaccine passport?  First complain about masks, now that?  Quit bitching and do what you’re asked, is that so tough?

Not bitching but I think there are some legit "liberal" type arguments against them because of equity issues. 

3 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

I glanced at that OpenVAERS link.  They claim they are using the data from VAERS, just in a more user friendly way.  The data itself may not fabricated. 

The one time I tried to use the actual VAERS site, I found it to be pretty clunky.  Was on my phone so not sure if that had anything to do with it.

I dont believe the data is fabricated. I believe that anyone who creates a website like that without context is doing so without good intentions. 

Just now, mattb65 said:

I don't think it's fair to call it an anti vaccine site,  it's just information reported by people and seems to be pulled straight from the cdc.  I agree that the way it is set up without context could easily be used by people to justify an anti vaccine position and to emphasize the adverse reactions. 

I read some of the detailed reports on the bottom and most of the deaths seem to be people at end of lifewho got the vaccine. There was and clear panic attacks/psychogenic seizures too. 

Yeah I guess I mean its going to be used for those purposes. The data itself is the data. I would he highly suspicious of the motivations of the people created that site.

Just now, MJO812 said:

I'm thinking about getting the vaccine in the future.  I'm undecided  right now. 

Have any of you  had bad side effects from the vaccine  and which vaccine did you get ?

Talk to your doctor. This whole site is amateur hour. 

5 minutes ago, dta1984 said:

How is making a personal choice to not take the covid vaccine making one Afraid?  It's a decision.

The problem here is that you actually believe that you are properly equipped and informed to decide on your relative risk of getting covid complications vs. your relative risk of getting vaccine complications. You are not. Reading that website without proper analysis or context will cause you to overweigh vaccine risk...which is what you've been doing since the jump.