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Just now, dta1984 said:

So the data is false?   I am not talking about the deaths, I linked the site for "reactions" or possible reactions to the vax.

It's intended to drive fear. It's obvious. There is absolutely no context behind the numbers reported on that site. 

I should create a site with all the reports of people who get sick or die after taking Tylenol. It would scare the shit out of you. 

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9957832237

1 hour ago, dta1984 said:

Not sure if this was posted, but this website has all of the (possibly) related severe reactions to all covid "vaccine" .

https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data

 

That's an anti vax site.

Just now, BuffaloWeather said:

Are you able to get the vaccine yet in Canada?

No...I think I'll have to wait until may/June. We dont have the supply here. 

9 hours ago, CorePunch said:

Cant blame them either. AstraZeneca isn’t held in high regard in the EU. Not mention the tribalism between nations in Europe. The lack of trust is thousands of years in the making. 

Europe has more vaccine hesitancy in general for all vaccines. It was apparent before covid.

35 minutes ago, Stebo said:

Suicide numbers are down, interesting because that is what so many liked to beat their chest on, why lockdowns were so bad. Which is concerning is the other medical deaths going up probably because of reluctance to go to the hospitals.

Ehh...accidental deaths are up 19k (mostly overdose). That's pretty significant. 

Restrictions and lockdowns are a necessary evil at times but they aren't without negative downstream effects. 

4 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

That is quite the high number for unintentional injuries. Are the majority of those traffic deaths? 

Driven by overdose. It mentions it in the paper.  

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778234?guestAccessKey=0b94e087-4b87-458d-b869-a1aa164eb8a6&utm_source=silverchair&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=article_alert-jama&utm_content=olf&utm_term=033121

Just now, BuffaloWeather said:

He was playing the best hockey of his career before covid. I still blame the Sabres being so bad on so many players getting covid and all the injuries. We really need to sign Ullmark, hes fantastic. 

I think it was more McCabe that was helping him but agreed.

Just now, BuffaloWeather said:

I mean unless you're more in shape than this guy is...? This guy is a workout warrior and got slammed by covid. I'll take the vaccine over getting sick like this. 

https://www.is.fi/nhl/art-2000007814144.html

Ristolainen has been suffering from a bad case of COVID-19

- Says he has gone through every possible symptom. He has asked around the league and no one else has had it this bad.

- His oxygen levels had dropped significantly and doing anything at all made him extremely tired

-After a couple of days his symptoms got better only to come back in a different form, chest pains for an example.

-When he had his chest pains, he felt like his heart is going to rip in two when walking up the stairs. Says couple of nights he felt like he wasn't sure if he's going to wake up.

-"I got healthy papers from the doctors but physically I am in such a bad shape that i have a long road ahead of me until I'm fit to play." (Despite this he also says that he can maybe see himself coming back some time next week, but not certain)

He sarcastically remarks that of course if he's going to get it, he'd get it when he's playing the best hockey of his career.

Still a bad hockey player...

8 minutes ago, WestMichigan said:

Thanks for the information.  I had a co-worker point me to that site and out of curiosity I selected COVID just to see.  I realize some of that data is definitely random people submitting data that hasn't been examined for root cause, however how much of it is real?  Hopefully they follow up and sift through that data to find what is real and what isn't.  Is there another place like this where you can find verified information instead?

Not sure about verified information but scientists are always combing through that. It's the reason that some European countries and Canada suspects theres some potential link between a rare blood clot disorder and the azn Oxford vaccine. It's not being used for those under 55 here. 

5 minutes ago, dta1984 said:

Fwiw this story mentions it would be hard to determine a vaccine related cause of death.  Still, there are many of these stories, coincidental or not.

"Dr. Erik Christensen, Utah's chief Medical Examiner, said proving vaccine injury as a cause of death almost never happens."

https://kutv.com/news/local/utah-woman-39-dies-4-days-after-2nd-does-of-covid-19-vaccine-autopsy-ordered

 

Science isn't done by anecdotes. 

5 minutes ago, WestMichigan said:

I never said any were.  I posted that because earlier it was said no one had died from COVID vaccines but this database would seem to say otherwise.

You're misinterpreting that data. 

4 minutes ago, winterwx21 said:

Yeah it's impossible to tell how many of those people died from the vaccine and how many were just going to die anyway.

No. That's not what I'm saying at all. If there was evidence of a problem it would be found.

Vaccine deaths are almost unheard of in modern times. 

11 minutes ago, WestMichigan said:

Disclaimer - I am not anti vax nor am I saying I won't get the shot.  I am taking a more wait and see approach.  To those who say there are no deaths from the vaccine, The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) Request Form (cdc.gov).  Unless I am misinterpreting the numbers, it appears there have been a number of deaths (1600+) from the COVID vaccines along with a whole host of other side effects.  Most side effects are not much more than a nuisance, but this is not a 100% safe vaccine as many have stated.  There are risks to getting the shot and risks to not getting it.  The risks may not be equal, but they exist in both cases.

Anyone can report anything in those forms. If there was actually 1600 vaccine related deaths it would be pulled immediately.

This system exists so that scientists can examine data and see if there's a causal link between adverse events and or death and the vaccine. 

3 million or so people die in the US per year. Some of these people would have gotten the vaccine.

These vaccines only have an effect on covid, they don't prevent any other conditions people suffer from or die from. 

Just now, Hoosier said:

Speaking of which, our old friend Russia is out with an animal vaccine.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/03/31/europe/russia-covid-vaccine-animals-intl/index.html

Interesting. Russia has the second highest (tracked) excess deaths in the world at 355 per 100000 

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker

Just now, StormfanaticInd said:

Yeah it's starting to sink in that this could take years to eradicate on a global scale 

I dont think it will be eradicated. Theres too many animal reservoirs. 

Just now, schoeppeya said:

Why? Facts and numbers (keep reminding you because you still haven’t done it). 

Theres definitely value in being over herd immunity. Herd immunity initially will not be particularly stable if there is open international travel. We could be looking at 2023 or 2024 until vaccines get around to the poorer areas of the world. There could be still pockets where there's more vaccine hesitancy so there's more outbreaks. Getting the most vaccinated as possible should be the goal. 

Just now, schoeppeya said:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7608887/

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220306342

 

You could say the same thing about many covid symptoms, no?

Yeah you could for sure. I don't think there's a definitive answer here but I've just noticed the estimates of asymptomatics have fallen through the pandemic. I believe the UK only estimated 20% and CDC prepandemic planning scenario had 40%. 

I dont think we have data on covid symptoms vs vaccine side effects for different age cohorts but I am absolutely sure that the relative risk of covid death and complications is far greater at any age than the US approved vaccines. 

19 minutes ago, schoeppeya said:

Fun fact, 40% of people experience some type of side effect from the vaccine and 62% of people have asymptomatic cases of covid. Those number inverse with age, meaning you’re more likely to have worse side effects from the vaccine the younger you are and less likely to have covid symptoms. Meaning for a lot of people you’re literally more likely to feel like shit from the vaccine than from covid. 

I think that 62% is inflated. The more recent estimates seem much lower. This particular report by the CDC only estimates 12% asymptomatic. 

The "side effects" are literally your immune system working. I wish people would just be cool with that lol. 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html

14 minutes ago, WaryWarren said:

If you disagree with Stebo, he will piledrive you into a collapsible table.

Stebo should join billsmafia

6 minutes ago, schoeppeya said:

I am specifically asking in reference to the vaccinated cases because as far as I know there are no other examples of deaths attributed to covid post vaccine. 

Give that vaccines aren't 100% effective I'd be shocked if there weren't some covid deaths post vaccine generally. We are talking about millions of people here. 

Just now, dta1984 said:

Do they ever release any more details on the trial groups?   Did they pick the most healthy kids or was asthma, obesity, mixed ethnicity etc mixed in too (most vulnerable)?   The 100% would mean more if we know more about the group.  

All these vaccine trial populations have attempted to represent the larger population as a whole in terms of demographics and comorbidity. We don't have anything specific on this trial since this was just a press release not the full paper.

20 minutes ago, schoeppeya said:

At some point do you see deaths start being classified as people “died with covid” vs “died from covid”? Not saying that’s the case here, just curious when we start drawing a line there.

The US standard is already that covid contributed to death.

535k covid deaths

575k excess deaths

726k deaths of a combo of covid, pneumonia, and influenza since the pandemic began (the normal is 50k pneumonia/influenza)

It's really hard to believe that 13 months in anyone is still discussing "covid with" in good faith.