powderfreak

As kids we used to boot up at home and be ready to go for the 15 minute drive from Indian Lake to Gore Mountain in the Dacks. Just hop out of the car as kids and go straight to messing around on the J-Bar while the parents got ready. Good plan you’ve got.

20”+ in Mid-Atlantic is a healthy storm for sure. Phin heads down to MD and gets a bigger event than Randolph last week?

I’ll take a photo of a letter we got sent to all town of Stowe from the PD Department later. The gist was it’s all voluntary, they can’t do anything, just be a good human being for your neighbors. Or at least that’s what I got out of it. It was just “follow the guidance” but there’s no penalty.

No way, sounds like urban legend. Fined for what, where and by who? The state specifically says they are not fining, same with the State Police. There are no fines on the books except for business establishments that fail to comply to capacity restrictions or fail to require a state attestation. HOW ARE THE ORDERS BEING ENFORCED? In instances where police officers observe or are made aware of potential violations of Gov. Scott’s orders, law enforcement is encouraged to speak with the proprietor, staff, or group, provide a reminder of the new requirements, and assess voluntary compliance. DPS and the Vermont State Police — the largest law-enforcement agency in the state — continue to recommended to Vermont municipal leaders and law-enforcement executives that enforcement of executive orders be handled primarily through education and voluntary compliance.

Ha what? First family this morning in the shop was from Peachtree, Georgia. Yesterday people were talking about their flight from Fort Lauderdale. I’m definitely getting the Vid at some point. People from all over pouring in. It’s a fight just to get them to wear masks much less follow any other guidance. Personally I can’t imagine doing that but to each their own.

Christmas Day 2002 will never get better for me. 24" storm total in Albany... Christmas morning arrived with grass visible, and then it was snowing 4" per hour during Christmas dinner. It was slow to start and then just absolutely hammered during the late afternoon and evening. Shut down interstates and even local roads were sporting 12+ on them despite decent plowing. Christmas doesn't get better than a Top 10 all-time storm falling on that date.

I already miss it snowing every day, despite some nice sun/cloud/caked white, mountain views today.

Thanks. Not as good as the snowmakers’ photo, ha. What a view they had this morning.

First class sunrise this morning. 60 seconds of fire and it was over.

GEFS says civil war is back on. BOS to TAN snow angels.

There are worse Day 10 EPS snow maps for the forum.

That’s a classic look for SNE. Would be wild to see how much ORH is just destroying climo through mid-December.

Us deep interior folks support this message. Coastal systems don’t just start to magically track 100+ miles NW at shorter lead time. Possible? Sure but that myth has been put to bed since 2013 or so. At this time frame anything is possible though.

Driving into Manchester features prominence right on par with the northern Greens for sure. I used to be in awe as a kid when we’d go skiing on the weekends at like Bromley and Stratton. When you get valleys at like 500-1000ft and peaks at 4000ft, that’s when it’s like, yeah that’s a hill.

The weird thing is Bromley faces like due south doesn’t it? “The sun mountain” or whatever... wouldn’t think retention is all that much better on that aspect, despite holding cold air a bit longer in CAD situations. Fascinating discussion guys.

It’s snowing pretty hard all the sudden, surfaces instantly white again. Absolutely nothing on radar though. When I was skiing this afternoon the cloud top height didn’t seem that high up, you could see sunlight trying to pop through. We keep getting this low level snow under the radar and ridge top to fall down in town. I’ve never seen this consistent type of low level snow, but it makes sense this time of year with stout inversions hard to break I guess.

Yeah your area down to Hippy and the Berkshires and adjacent upper valley of Mass has been the dud zone so far. Seems to have missed in all directions so far. But I trust climo, it’s coming.

You ever wonder what 1978 would’ve looked like on today’s models? Could it have been 5-6 feet, that verifies as 36-48”. I always wonder about that... how storms of yore would’ve been represented in the lead time with today’s models.

Elemental Energy. Hooralph. Some good old ones there.

Yeah it wasn’t that special but more than was expected 2-3 days out. The band was definitely east of us along the MA/NY border at this latitude. But boy do I remember Jan 2002 too. Great memory to bring up. A complete sh*t winter that somehow grabbed a high-end event. That featured a depth increase of 8” in 2 hours officially at the airport during the height of it. Delmar, NY where I grew up had 18” and was a near jackpot. Not bad for the 01-02 winter. That was another southern stream moisture laden storm: In this case, the northern and southern stream branches of the jet never really phased well. What happened instead was that a strong upper level storm embedded within the southern branch of the jet intensified to the point, as it drove south into the Gulf of Mexico, that it alone was able to buck a fast shearing flow along the coast as it swung around the base of the east coast trough, to form a moderately intense surface Nor'easter that produced some heavy snow in the Northeast. The storm did move very rapidly from off the Virginia coast late Sunday afternoon to the Canadian Maritimes by early Monday morning, which reduced the amount of snow that would have fallen had the system moved slower. The fast speed of the storm, however, was compensated for by the lift in the atmosphere the storm created and the high moisture content of the air it brought with it from the Gulf of Mexico. The atmospheric lift was so great and moisture content so rich that snow fell at rates of 2"-4" per hour for a couple of hours from 8pm through midnight on the 6th. In fact, at Albany, eight inches of snow fell between 10:00pm and midnight on January 6.

I love it. Because I feel the same way. You become ok with even being shafted in some events, because it's about the variety and interesting weather you see in the mountains compared to other areas. I still think mountains feature by far the most interesting weather you can get. It's also in your face, because the terrain gives a literal vertical profile of the lower levels of the atmosphere. When I grew up in the Hudson Valley, you look up and there's no point of reference for weather. For some reason it just feels different in the mountains when you can see visually what's happening. We have no shortage of interesting weather. In the mountain communities is where a random snow shower/squall or rouge strong thunderstorm can pop up at anytime. The low level lift is always present... wind flow and moisture still need to be figured out. But the mountain communities have omnipresent lift possible. I think that's the key to the interesting weather. Not even considering temperatures that vary wildly based on set-up.

That’s awesome. I still have to remind myself of where you came from and what that must feel like. You feel like a lifelong member of the NNE crew already. But this is like prom night, before marrying the prom queen . Hopefully it never becomes “old” when it snows!

I’m an idiot. It was Feb ‘01. Dendrite was probably in that same mesoband I remember coming through eastern NY state SE of ALB. It was that same winter, I just didn’t flip the calendar year in my post .

Banned.

Comparing a few over-performing snow shower events up here to Feb 2015 seems like a major party foul. I get it but that made me chuckle.