powderfreak

BML... 42F MVL... 40F MPV... 39F BTV... 41F Mild evening in some NNE ASOS sites.

That is true... even if we get a Grinch storm, it seems like after heading into early January we get some blast of arctic air mixed in there. The lack of great snowmaking weather has been very noticeable at the ski areas. Even if it doesn't snow, there's usually some arctic shots between them. I don't think the general public likes arctic air between warm ups, but it usually leads to good snowmaking and terrain expansion. This season it's like hey, after each cutter we'll give you 36-48 hours of decent but not fantastic snowmaking temperatures before having to shut it off again. Snowmaking generally needs wet-bulbs of 25-26F to get appreciable accumulation, and this is the summit station with the near 850mb temperatures. Often warmer below that.

What's worse: rock solid frozen bare ground at 0F while BWI to PHL get a couple big snowstorms, or bare ground at 40F while it doesn't snow anywhere?

Yeah your area does really well in CCB's... same with the Green Mountain Spine (J.Spin and ski resorts) and western slopes. When you can get that solid mid-level lift to overlay with strong NW orographic flow there's like a seeder-feeder mechanism on crack. It can wring out some big QPF. Anytime you can get upslope flow going on underneath strong synoptic lift it's going to be a good time, ha.

That is 100% true in every single event, ha. Synoptic storms have so many more variables than just "wind flow, moisture, mountains".

Agreed, that front side should favor your part of NNE and backside upslope probably more likely to be productive over this way. Locally, I’m always hesitant with a warm tongue aloft that it will be more mix and less snow than models show. Or it could be like some of them that show just straight ZR to RN on the front end.

Yeah, some snow to ice to rain back to snow. Better looking backside upslope signature too.

Pretty decent snowfall burst up here at Mansfield too.

Yeah it will likely take Phin a few winters to get relaxed with however events may play out and the NNE weather vibe. He’s still in that Maryland mind set where everything is a snow/winter competition. Like if a trackable forum event doesn’t work out, there are other ways to get a plowable snowfall.

It’ll be fun to see how both camps react for entertainment... seems both sides of the coin have locked in their solutions at some substantial lead times, ha. Rain or winter. Forecasts locked in.

Been watching the game... love snow football. I’ve got Rodgers and Adams on my fantasy team. Looks like I’ll come in 3rd this season. Won $1100 last season on the 12-friends $100 buy-in. Adams and Rodgers best tandem in the league... in the snow... on Sunday night. Fun combo.

Just melted the recent snowfall that fell in the larger Stratus cylinder... found 0.23" water and measured 4.75" cumulative (20.7 to 1 ratio). 4.25" board clearing last evening and then between last night and today another 0.5". Our garden has a couple tables in it, so I use one to clear and one to leave alone, and the one left alone has 3.5" on it... so has settled about an inch in the past 24 hours.

Aren’t those just QPF as ZR? Or do they use an actual algorithm for accumulating ice? I get the QPF as ice, just like QPF as snow is essentially what a snow map is but move the decimal point over.

It’s called the NNE winter thread lol. Start a thread for that event so a few of us can talk to each other like we do in that one?

Ha we already have I feel like. Did it with a lot less liquid!

Yeah I seem pretty spot on with that site in say a 10:1 nor’easter or small flake dense snow. But he always has the lowest ratios around in these for some reason. 3” of depth and if he had 0.7” settlement like your site and I had more snow overnight but depth never changed.. 3.7” would be a more plausible new snow. Ill see what the cars at home have on them in our lot even after a day of settling, but there was 4”+ on the neighbors car when I left this morning and 4.5” in the yard like your site and the others to the east in that band. But that lower village site seems to capture the correct water on the whole, which is what always puzzles me.

Mansfield Magic... a healthy 6”.

I still wonder how the Stowe Lower Village CoCoRAHS guy measures and gets such low ratios all winter long. I'm always higher than him in inches of snow but very similar in liquid amounts. His ratios are always much lower than everywhere else from what I see. You can see this morning's reports with the total water of 0.20-0.25" spots from the Adirondacks and eastern VT yielded 4-5.5" of snow (which is what I saw for snowfall at my place). But for some reason his 0.21" water only got 2.8" snow. Even the places that got 0.10" water were 2.8" snow. Or 0.14" water for 3.2". This is why my snowfall totals are so much higher in terms of inches from that guy, but the water is right. I just can't figure it out, unless he measures on some surface that melts from below or something. The water almost always lines up but like I estimated last night, it was 20:1 ratios at least, which would've given him the same 4"+ and the same ratios as everyone else.

Still 4.5” in the yard. Snow stopped shortly after my last post aside from some lighter flurries as the band went south. Overall though so nice waking up to a winter wonderland again. I see a CoCoRAHS of 5.0" in Danville, VT and 5.5" in Woodbury almost due east of here and then 4-5" over in the Adirondacks on the same axis that runs right through this area.

Early January 2008 was also very impressive for a thaw. Record December 2007 snow in parts of New England was just torched down in 2-3 days of warmth. Of course it kept snowing after that and led to record depths in places afterwards.

What a fun evening. Snowing steadily. 4.2" on the board... 4-5" snow depth. The grass bottom likely adding a half inch or so, but by this time of year the grass is packed down flat and not fluffing it up as much as it would be in October/November, so "depth" is closer to the "new snow" than earlier in the season. Good ratios, I'd guess 20:1. Not pure cotton candy at 30-40:1 but also not 10:1 dense.

The band is shifting south, JSpin about to get smoked. I might be near 4” now, will go out and measure soon.

I mean, those are the two metrics that matter to most snow lovers. Total inches that fall from the sky in a given period, and number of days they don't have to look at grass. Compare it to normal and you have your answer. There are some that regardless of numbers compared to climo, seem to melt if god forbid someone near them has a better experience. The jackpot syndrome.

Anyone near or above snow climo to date, and complaining about it, can take a seat . It's about enjoying the inches that fall from the sky when they come in New England.

You look to be in the moisture axis as well on the 18z EURO. Some of the models have it just south of here too, so we'll see. But an axis from here to Alex/you could see another couple inches overnight.