powderfreak

I think the difference is what we each think is what… versus what NOAA/NWS tracks. 36/32/28 degrees are the official thresholds they track it seems.

Yeah it’s probably very based on location. Like maybe DIT doesn’t even see frost until 20s because it’s breezy on a hilltop? I do agree that Joe Schmoe sees frost outside he thinks it’s 32F outside, whether it is or not. He’s telling his friends it got to freezing even if he had a Davis and it had a min of 34.4F but his grass, car, and neighbor’s roof is white. My wife thinks it’s freezing, then I tell her the low was 34F and she’s confused… so I just say yeah must’ve been freezing . Experiences all cloud our opinions, a suburban neighborhood, a mixed hilltop or a radiational area will all see it slightly different.

Interesting. I’ve always seen frosts around here in that 32-36F range with clear skies. If we hit 31F it’s just full on frozen/freeze. Like scraping the inside of your car windows lol. Maybe it’s the rad valley affect. A hilltop with breeze at 34F maybe not? Clear dead calm 34F here is definitely a good healthy white frost on the yard.

No it’s not though lol. That’s technically a “hard freeze” I think they call it at 28F or lower. The freezing point is 32F but remember it’s at 2-meter. Your grass and garden surface is colder than the 2-M temp on calm nights. If you put the sensor right on the grass blades you would see it like putting your dew sensor in the mulch bed in the summer.

We usually can frost the grass and cars at like 35F here on rad nights. I know the NWS BTV climo looks at 36> as frost and 32> freeze. I think the advisories are listed that way too. Frost Advisory when expecting 36F or lower, Freeze Warning for 32F or lower.

That’s a freeze.

I think myself, Eyewall and Jayhawk have all received compensation for photos in the past. Could probably lump us into the "photographers" label, even if it is an expensive hobby that you just try to do it to cover costs of equipment as many do. I don't know about the others but when I'm out hiking I usually have several thousand dollars in my backpack worth of camera/lenses. I've shot stuff that ends up in brochures, on postcards, ski trail maps, etc.

Driving is tough somehow, ha. We’ve had cars not put in park roll down multiple lots and end up in ditches this time of year too. You see all sorts of them during leaf peeping season. A friend on social found another one today in the ditch so much it’s rear wheels were off the ground. You will never ever see so many cars in ditches on dry empty roads as leaf peeping time. Another in a ditch I passed a while back. This one was looking at the red tree they are standing under and drove into a culvert.

Stowe lot made Jerry of the Day yesterday. Leaf peepers have been in ditches all around town (can you say distracted driving?)… but this one was solid.

That’s wild. I’m surprised our garden croaked without a frost/freeze but she done about 10 days ago. Maybe that one period of upper 30s mins was enough to do it.

Vegetation looks to be thriving lol. All that water and comfy temps. You can probably hear it still growing.

I think Mansfield’s latest 32F was October 6, in 2011 but not sure when those graphics were made by BTV. I see MPV is October 31, 1975 so still some time to go for that one. Morrisville, Worcester and Northfield show October 20, 2005… but those are shorter period of records. MPV goes back further so likely the others would be around Halloween too if their records dates back past the 1990s.

We’ve hit it a few times but I think 36F was the coldest and it was foggy so no frost. Apparently light is the bigger impact. Trees are going to be completely bare before we even frost at this point lol.

68/57 Temperature definitely disconnected from the vegetation at this point. Everything keeps dying despite never ending torch relative to normal. Garden is smoked even without a frost.

Yeah! That’s exactly what that meteor sounded like here a year ago or so that freaked my dog out on a walk. It’s still crazy those can be that loud. Like F-16s.

Above the clouds and foliage.

It’s crazy how weak the sun is. Inverted again and undercast from the summits. OVC0009 Another warm night under the blanket of clouds with a low of 47F.

This page often has stuff like that. Should be interesting to see if they have anything posted by morning. I remember when the fireball happened over NVT that sounded like a fighter jet here they had it posted within a couple hours. https://www.facebook.com/NasaMeteorWatch/

They can usually see meteors though? NASA seems to see every pebble that enters the atmosphere with their tech.

Damn man, all of those views are epic. But that last one is print worthy.

Adrenaline is still pumping. Likewise, that was one of the craziest things I've ever seen. Glad it was a 4pm game. If it was 8pm it would've ended at like 1-2am.

Yes! Was warmer at the top than down below. Mansfield was right on the on the inversion level. Saw partial sun at the Picnic Tables at times knowing it was bright sun above.

Shoveling GGEM snow has been a pastime of mine for the last decade or so.

I think even people who didn't grow up in poverty have that same problem. Human nature to want to do something that you can instead of having someone else do it for you. I do like the logic though, ha, let me do you a favor and let you rake my yard for money. It's totally true, keeps the economy going, it just sounds funny. Could've paid someone to put in new floors this summer but instead did it myself with a friend. There's some aspect of something being fun to learn a new project too vs. paying someone to do a routine item that's just boring AF . Also an age factor I'd imagine too. My father now pays for a lot of things he used to do... once past 50 years old it seemed he started paying more and more for random things he never would've let someone go near when we were young kids and he was in his 30s/40s. Now past 60 he just wants to golf and pays for most mundane things. Low of 49F last night... god damn it is mild at night. These departures are insane.