powderfreak

Boom awesome, that’s the discussion detail I needed. It all makes sense. I think I was just balking at the standing wave being a climo normal pattern. Between the CCB and mid-level lift west also makes sense… you guys right on the coast are still pulling big QPF (even if low ratio) as it pivots on the coast… then the usual lighter/disjointed lift gap found in most storms between the CCB and the H6-H7 mid-level stuff. Looks like there’s a lot of reasons for GON-PVD-TAN line SE to have issues, ha. Cards stacked against them. I guess I never really looked at them as a “sinking air” on east flow type location.

What does RI downslope from on east flow? Sure every time a place gets less precipitation there was more sinking air there than other areas, I guess ties all of them together regardless of where on a map they are… but we can do better than that basic premise in trying to dissect it meteorologically. They are absolutely a lower snowfall area but for a variety of factors, mid-level dry slots, warmth punching north, proximity to warm water, etc. But does it stand out more than neighboring areas in like SE Mass I guess is what I’m struggling with meteorologically. If it’s normal climo, there should be an easy answer.

My brain is cramping trying to find the common ground of the same phenomena that affects RI and Brattleboro, VT. There are snow holes all around in most valleys, I mean I’m a precip hole relative to the mountain a few miles away. But what meteorologically would tie RI and Brattleboro together?

Yeah I was thinking I could see them getting mid-level dry slotted easier the further SE you are but that would apply to Mass too. I mean isn’t GON to PVD to TAN and SE of there the lowest snow climo in SNE? I guess I’d be curious QPF wise if there’s something long term that causes them to see less precip in coastal storms… because the discussion really comes down to QPF more than snowfall.

I’d like to see some other good examples because I think recency bias is just throwing up March 2013 and taking it as climo.

Only thing I could think of is coastal front in SE MA creating some sort of standing wave time and time again… but if they didn’t snow well in nor’easters and coastal storms, their seasonal numbers would stand out more IMO when compared with neighboring areas.

I’m more curious on how deep easterly flow screws RI? Yes, well aware of March 2013 but wasn’t that more fluke than climo?

It looks like there was quite a change there in mid-July at BDL at least (only one I looked at). He's not wrong that there was a change at least, I guess it's subjective to how people experience it. But all mins were largely 50s and 60s leading up through the 16th of July. Then starting on the 17th a clear stepwise increase in humidity as mins were 70+ every day after that. There's a very clear pattern shift in there.

That'd be legit for September 24.

Yeah we had 45F by like 8pm last night and it was 48F when I woke up. Temp leveled and rose with clouds/wind. I thought easily 30s was a lock at 8pm.

Pretty even spread in temps tonight. Mid-40s to mid/upper 50s depending on local factors. Both SNE and NNE.

45-46F for over the last hour… pesky breeze, maybe we hover in the low 40s later instead of radiational excellence. This evening was the first one for me where it felt like a true change. Back-broken jokes aside, for some reason today felt like a true stepping stone locally on the climatological stairway downward.

Yeah but yet some wore hoodies and bundled up it seems? Definitely wasn’t cool… even normal temps mid-summer can require A/C. I always assume we are talking departures with “cool” or “warm”… a warm or torch January that’s still below freezing in the means isn’t literally warm.

Good point. Looking back it seems the low humidity helped large diurnal ranges and kept us from seeing too high departures in July. The hot days cooled off enough. Then in August when the dews came it went the other way and we got smoked on the overnight mins being so elevated.

I didn’t realize July was only +0.5 up here… I assumed a higher departure. June and July were essentially normal as a whole… then August torched at +3.5. 45F outside at 8pm. Chilly. Definitely going 30s tonight.

June was beautiful. About average, maybe -1? But that’s not super chilly because it’s June. That’s like 75/45. July was nice for first half then ran off like 6 weeks of heat. But July was solidly above normal and August too. Its like one normal month and two above normal if one were to look back on this summer in 30 years.

What? It was so cold you had a hoodie on until late July?

Yeah I don’t see how those two statements have any relevance… some of our warmest winters happen to have freakish early and late season snows. Just because it snows in October and early May it might be a long “snow season”… but it doesn’t imply anything about what happened between those two events.

I’m not sure I see the relationship between shorter time between freezing temps and how hot or cold the summer was? No where in there did it allude to summer temps, just that it was shorter growing season at the summits.

Whiteface in the Adirondacks joined MWN in the below freezing club.

12:10pm 57/37 Now this is a fall air mass.

47F at ski area base and 36F top of the Gondola with a wind chill of 23F. Might need to take a ride up to feel cold again.

There were several 4”+ reports/observations which didn’t seem to make it onto this map… but the color scale shows the jackpot. I had 1.48” east of the county lines that form the Spine/Barrier. Western slope got destroyed by south-north training storms.

You have? I haven’t seen them flying in unison in a long time. Definitely one of those vibe type things… cloudy low ceiling, breezy, cool and geese being noisy as they fly by. Pumpkin spice commercial stuff, ha. There was one with a busted wing shitting on the dock daily at the lake in NE CT. Couldn’t fly, but seemed to be quite full of crap.

Saw my first flying-V of Canadian geese noisily flying by this evening. The animals know change is coming. Wasn’t really a nice dry air mass today, dews hanging 55-57F. But the weather pattern felt like “cold season” in gusty WNW winds and quick moving orographic showers. Cyclonic flow popcorn stuff that in another month is usually chances of graupel. Type of day where mountain sees a tenth or two of water total and tapering to my 0.05” in town, probably a hundredth at a time over five showers.