michsnowfreak

Thanks. Actually I just made a collage myself out of screenshots to kind of make it a little more user friendly to post lol. I simply plugged in what I wanted into Xmacis. if you want anything specific pm me and ill be happy to look it up. it always less you choose a regression line or moving average. It does include this year which was a mistake on my part because it's kind of silly to include the average temperature and snowfall which unfairly skews things warmer (Jan and Feb are colder than Dec on avg) and way less snowy (we have 3.5 more months of snow to go) for this season. Thats a regression line so its not to be used as exact average. Using the past 10 years and not counting this year (again, my mistake) 6 were above the current 42.7" avg and 4 below, but the above were often much above and the below just barely. The 10 years had an accumulated surplus of 67.4" of snow. Snowfall had been fine this season (3 events of 3-4", several more 1-2") but im irritated there's nothing on the ground right now. Am feeling good about 2nd half of Jan though. DTW last 10 yrs 2010-11- 69.1" (+26.4") 2011-12- 26.0" (-16.7") 2012-13- 47.7" (+5.0") 2013-14- 94.9" (+52.2") 2014-15- 47.5" (+4.8") 2015-16- 35.3" (-7.4") 2016-17- 37.9" (-4.8") 2017-18- 61.0" (+18.3") 2018-19- 31.3" (-11.4") 2019-20- 43.7" (+1.0")

Great post and I agree!

It would be nice to get a spread the wealth pattern rather than local jackpots each system. What kind of systems does that pattern tend to favor?

slowpoke- While it's interesting to see trends the last 100 years, some might say that's too long of a period of record. Rather than cherry picking a time frame (anytime you read an exaggerated article on global warming you will notice they start the graph in 1970, this is because the 1970s were the coldest winters on record and will skew a chart to make a temp increase look more extreme)... Let's just do the 30 year "norms" that the national weather service uses. Here are the trends the last 30 years for those same 3 cities. At Detroit temperatures are nearly unmoving and snowfall is increasing. Add Alpena, there's a very slight increase in temperature and a very slight decrease in snowfall. At Marquette, there continues to be a cooling trend in temperatures along with a very slight decrease in snowfall.

I am the one who said that lol. I was just looking up random stats. The 5 consecutive DF were tied with 1929-33 for the warmest 5 consecutive DJFs (really thanks to 3 mild winters). it was not near a record for warmest 5 consecutive "cold seasons" (NDJFM). In the days of Xmacis the stat buff can literally find anything for any Hand picked metric. The previous 2 winters before that 5 year stretch blew away, and I mean blew away, all records for snow depth at Detroit as well. They were far and away the most severe back-to-back winters on record when you combine cold and snowdepth. The 1970s didn't come close for snowdepth. All of that is within 7 years. All in all the 2010s winters at Detroit were colder than the 1990s, 1950s, & 1930s and tied with the 1880s. As for cold/snow, Gaylord doesn't have a steady climate record, but here is a look at Detroit, Alpena, and Marquette winter temp and snow trends over the last 100 years. The regression line is in red. A very slight increase in temp at Detroit and Alpena and a noticeable DECREASE in temp.at Marquette (site change?). All 3 have an increase in snow.

Detroit & especially Toronto can cash in on snow in an east pattern, ive seen it many times before. And the entire sub can get clippers. But obviously sounds like we would want the ridge to stay off the coast so we all could see some storminess.

Thanks as always for the input. It would be nice to get a pattern that's perfect for the entire lakes sub lol. It seems like those in the East are excited about the pattern which sometimes can mean a lot of misses for the Midwest, although the Eastern part of the sub can often cash in on stuff in an eastern pattern. Where's a bowling ball when you want one?

I was enjoying them too. My area did among the best locally in the Nov/Dec snows and now unfortunately the Jan 1-3 slopfest we did the worst. Our snow has melted and we go into boring stretch without snow on the ground. Will be very interesting to see where we all are and we look to be headed on Jan 15th.

I didnt know we were talking an epic storm lol. Just a change toward more sustained winter.

I read this article yesterday and its a complete joke. The author is well known to be very agenda based. They recycle the same basic article every handful of years during a mild winter, have been since the mid 1990s, just change the dates and stuff. It's full of misinformation. They always use the generic line "the past 5 or 10 years" which in this case includes winters where MI was covered in record snow or ice. Are Michigan's winters warming somewhat? Yes. But snowfall is increasing at most Michigan climate sites. The article says winters are warming faster than summers which is actually 100% backwards lol. It talked about some snowmobile race in Sault Ste Marie in 2018 not having ice. Lol the Winter of 2017-18 featured an average temperature BELOW normal in SSM and while there was a late February thaw there was tons of snow and ice. I go to the up North every Winter and see it for myself. BS media hype full of twists is why so many people unfortunately don't believe in climate change.

Blah here. An inch of slushy snow (looks like heavy burst of snow then dry slot), the most underwhelming snow event of the winter so far. The snow has mostly melted in the murky mild air lol. 14.9" on the season.

Surprised your bigger storms didn't last longer. But its definitely been that kind of winter so far. Better to have had and lost than not had at all though lol. Nov 22- 1.7", lasted 1 day Dec 1- 4.3", lasted 3-4 days Dec 17- 3.1", lasted 3- 4 days Dec 25- 3.6", lasted 3-4 days

looks like a good burst of snow to come through late tonight, but temps look to be mild, 32-33. This thread is a good idea instead of putting everything non-thread worthy in the monthly discussion thread.

lol I never look forward to spring. Happy new year!

4 inches sounds about right. There was a heavy band in the afternoon that dropped an inch in less than an hour, otherwise it was a lighter snow globe all day. Christmas 2017 was better Actually, but this was more of a surprise and snow fell all day Christmas. actually, every snow event this season has been east side (Macomb, Wayne, monroe) special. Yesterday was the first time nw burbs had more snow than se burbs. but not a single tstorm in Florida in 2 months!?can definitely tell you're more about storms over winter as a whole...florida winter would be my nightmare.

A few other things that made it special. it was coming on the heals of the most snowless start to the snow season on record. It was also the start of an epic 2 week stretch of snow, and unlike the numerous bouts of heavy snow the past few decades, growing up in the 1990s it was a blah decade for snow in Detroit. So by mid January 1999 needless to say it was something I had never seen before.

Oh so everything is mostly this week. I forget which climate site you're closest to (DVN?). lol I've had twice that and almost nothing on the ground. Yes NWS counts sleet (and technically hail) as snow. its miserable here. cold rain. the ice has melted off the trees but the thin layer of sleet remains on the ground. Idk for sure but I think the ice storm was a fail in most of MI. I actually expected a cold rain due to east wind off the lake, but it was mostly ice and sleet. and as has been pointed out the northern burbs of Detroit saw some snow. so not sure anyone had real ice storm problems here. Let's see what wave 3 does tmrw night.

13-14 (king of all), 14-15 (finally a 17" storm), 17-18 were good for snow on snow. You're in naples permanently or just for winter? You would have enjoyed the Christmas snow on the east side. Pattern going forward definitely has potential.

oh wow. That event was awesome. will be interesting to see what happens. Its frustrating as hell to see these snows melt, but we've not done too shabby in the snowfall department this so far pacific dominated winter..with whisperings of a much wintrier pattern a few weeks away.

Wow, a 6" glacier will be good as we start the coldest 2 months of the year. Outside a true torch, your golden. The snowcover fan in me is jealous. We've had no problem getting snow, but not since 2018 have we had a good snowcover season. What's your season total at? If i remember it was pretty much autumn snow, snowless Christmas season, and now glacier week?

Sleet and rain/freezing rain here during the afternoon. Just missed a heavy burst of snow to my north. Picked up 0.1" of sleet.

I'm jealous lol. Those are good as a base for snowcover. How deep?

Howdy stranger. Welcome back and please stay!

sleet and rain/freezing rain here. Hard to tell it its glazing im all cozy in the house. temp has been steady at 32. a trace of sleet on the ground

Happy New Year to all my fellow weather weenies. May 2021 be filled with fun weather and a lot less covid!