Yeah no doubt the "river hills" would hold the cold a bit better. As you know, my wife went to PM and elementary in Conestoga. When i road raced bicycles for Rich Ruoff (the Chameleon club), we hosted a race there. "the Tour of Mt. Nebo". What a gut wrenching road race let me tell ya. Arguably one of the hardest road race coursed I've ever seen (locally mind you). I derailed a chain on one one of the early climbs and was off the back, so I dropped out. 50 miles of climbs...lets just say I was pissed, but only mildly so. I was a sprinter, not a climber. Sorry to "derail" the thread. Small world.