Terpeast

Again, I think you and I have a different definition of what a PDO is. When I take a broader view of it instead of just NW of Hawaii (waters off the west coast US are also important), I have a slightly different mix of analogs that leads me to think that the SW and south will be cooler and wetter than normal, and the NE will be warmer than on your map. But for MBY, your map is consistent with my prediction of a slightly AN winter temp wise (1-2+ F above). I also have great lakes warmer than normal. So we have “some” overlap there.

Yeah, ideally I want my blend to match everything but this year it was difficult to find a good blend for it. That’s why I wanted to temper expectations that a year like 09-10 isn’t necessarily a great match despite it having commonalities within the factors I looked at. Sensible weather analogs is another good way to do it, but I’m not well versed in that method like you are. I have a lot to learn in that area.

Problem with a +pdo is if it is too extreme, the aleutian low would be too close to the coast preventing cold air from spilling down into the conus. Our best winters have happened when the pdo is closer to neutral, iow not too extreme in either direction

2nd image - thats a lot of snowpack! Cold air wont be an issue in jan-feb if that pans out

Think a lot of people will be more excited when they compare cansips with last year’s h5 pattern

He’s trolling ofc

I like how January looks…

Cosign, this is what I think, too.

26, colder than yesterday

Down to 33 already

Yeah, he always seemed to be playing from behind. I remember that during the Jan 1996 storm, we had about 20” on the ground and the snow lightened up in intensity. I was worried the storm was almost over, but Bob said “another 6-12 inches coming overnight”. Was doing the math in my head and thinking holy shit, I could get 30 inches!

I preferred Doug Hill over Bob Ryan. Ryan used to always downplay big storms and completely whiffed on Jan 25, 2000… while Doug admitted on live TV that he was “suspicious” that models were wrong about it going OTS.

Thanks MN. Yeah - I'm pretty bullish about our chances at reaching at least climo or above in our area. Still, a 10% chance is a non-zero chance. It can still happen. 1972-73 kept popping up in my analog research...

That's also a reasonable guess and could very well be correct. I'm just a bit more bullish than your numbers for north of rt 29 and the I-95 corridor from DC to philly. And yes, we had a dry October after a very wet September. Also I don't think the STJ really kicks in until December anyway.

One area, you mean within the MA forum? The mountains would be the easy answer. East of the blue ridge, I don't know. It's like trying to work out the exact location of mesoscale banding on a 384 hour storm this far out. We just have to see how the cookie crumbles...

Can't wait to see yours!

Glad you all enjoyed reading this. I wanted to make it easy to skim and digest, while being as comprehensive as possible. Now let’s see where the chips fall…

I’m no expert on SSW events so I’d defer to @GaWx on this, but if this plays out as forecasted, this could be an interesting January for most of us up and down the EC.

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If you look at the aleutian low on cansips, you’ll notice how west-based it is. In my outlook I did note very warm nino 4 temps having the effect of pulling the aleutian low west.

As promised, here's my outlook:

Alright, I did it. Here's my outlook.

I put my outlook in a PDF, so I'll put the "tl,dr" here: There are a lot of mixed signals leading into this winter. But I have seen enough signs to raise my confidence for an interesting winter across the Mid-Atlantic and Southeast U.S. This year is the best chance for a big winter or a top 10 KU since 2015-16 or even 2009-10. However, I have also seen other signs that confound the potential for big snowfall, like Hunga Tonga, continuation of a negative PDO base state, and abnormally warm SSTs everywhere except for a few cool spots. I relied on factors such as the MEI, PDO, preceding Pacific "base state", AMO, QBO and solar cycle. Instead of giving one range for snowfall, I went with a probabilistic forecast instead. So for the mid-atlantic, here's what I think will happen: +2 degrees F above normal (medium confidence) 10-20% wetter than normal (high confidence) 60% chance we beat climo for snowfall (low-medium confidence) 15-30% chance we get a top 10 HECS Probabilistic snowfall forecast*: 0 to 10 inches: 10% chance 10 to 20 inches: 30% chance 20 to 40 inches: 45% chance 40” or more: 15% chance *if you're in the mountains, you can double or triple these numbers depending on your elevation/upslope activity and the same probabilities will apply And now the temp & precip DJF maps: You can read the attached PDF to see how I arrived at my outlook. Or you can just click here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/10gF1EktEgErvpJ_pIgmN-OTLpz0VRLRe/view?usp=sharing I don’t expect you to read the whole thing, so I created a linkable table of contents on the next page so you can jump to the parts that you care about. But I’d be ecstatic if you actually read the whole thing! Terpeast's 2023-24 Winter Outlook.pdf

I would too. I was waiting for this in case I need to change my outlook. But no changes needed. I’ma post it as is

With aleutian troughing and western & arctic ridging, not much has changed. The general idea is pretty much the same