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Were not in that kind of shape. I said around Xmas last year we were headed for a historically bad year. I was so confident in that I didn’t even bother to get my snowblower out of the shed and tune it up. While it may not look awesome right now we’re not in that territory Imo.

Agree with all this but I wouldn’t characterize the 2018 March block as transient. It started as a classic WAR in Feb then slowly retrograded from each wave break first to an east based block near Iceland around Feb 28 to a classic west based block then all the way to a Hudson block by March 10 then it reformed as a Greenland block mid March and did one more cycle into April. It was pretty classic it was just too late to do is a ton of good. Although we did great for that late all things considered

I think there is a connection to the cold problem with though. The runs that were getting the block further west we’re doing so because they were colder runs. Colder meant more gradient in the east and systems were amplifying east more and getting into the 50/50. Then the wave break from those lows retrogrades the ridge further NW. It’s a symbiotic relationship. The storms are amplifying too far NW to get into the 50/50 space and kick start that process partially because there isn’t enough cold in the pattern to suppress the storm track. Instead the wash out or end up way west of where we need.

Problem is no cold. The blocking is doing its job if you look at the h5 SWs are getting blocked in the Midwest and washing out or forced east. If there was cold around there would be CAD and likely a transfer situation. But there isn’t. The surface systems will ride the thermal gradient and if that is way up in Canada systems will synoptic amplify in the west then wash out east. We could perhaps overcome the bad pac if there was some cold in this blocking regime but there isn’t.

Ironically I read some stuff back in 2019 that implied the SSW really screwed us that year. The heat flux precursor to the SSW disrupted the pretty favorable pattern setting in early January but we never got the benefits later as the SSW didn’t couple with the TPV.

He also thinks the cold does come east but not until 1-2 weeks after the PV disruption.

It could be, if it ever does fully migrate to AK, just a temporary phase. I’m putting some pieces I’ve read together but that look may be related to some of the precursors to the SSW.

Last time they did that in early December it was wrong. The vortex never fully shifted and the pattern never broke down. So I wouldn’t assume yet. But the trend the last 24 hours has been pretty brutal.

GFS/GEFS decided the vortex that’s been in the WPO domain west of AK is going to shift east into AK. If that’s true we’re toast.

That was an ugly run.

If I were where you are...I would feel the same way.

@Ji the difference with this euro run v 0z was the block anchored more in our classic spot v over NF allowing the trough axis to progress further east before stalling and doing the same fujiwara deal. But for that range they have a similar idea wrt progression.

Either get that NS SW out of the way, or behind it...really anywhere else but right on top and it’s a BIG storm.

@Ji the setup is nice but verbatim I don’t think that would turn the corner. The trough split and the northern SW is pressing down on the STJ one. Its a nice little event but I doubt it became a monster in the next frame. My interpretation isn’t 100% though, there is enough room that MAYBE...but it looked to slide east not turn the corner. But now we’re analyzing details when the whole synoptic setup will go through significant edits. I’ll say this about today’s runs. They all get a perfect SW track going after the New Years cutter. The cmc is poised for something around day 11-12. Euro has it. Gfs has 2 perfect SW passes but the problem on the GFS is just no cold at all. None. Zip. That’s a threat. Won’t lie we’ve wasted blocks because of no cold early in the season before. Later in winter blocks work more and more to produce enough domestic cold. We will see.

For the people

‘‘Twas the night before Christmas and all across the net, Ji was trolling cause the latest GFS was nothing but wet. Meanwhile the snow weenies readied for bed, hoping soon their winter dreams would be fed. Pictures of h5 plots with lots of high latitude red, played all night like a fantasy in their head. They told Ji to relax as he went full tilt to the max. That even though the operational was wetter, don’t worry the ensembles will look better. But Stormtracker knew our climo wasn’t a good bet, so he thought it over and decided to jet. But he’ll be back soon and we’ll all be together, to celebrate the blocking and our snowy January weather. The strat warm is coming and it will do the trick, by mid January flakes will be falling and things should get epic. So I say to you my friends as we wait for the pattern to get right, Merry Christmas to all and to all a goodnight.

As is that’s likely to cut due north. Actually because of too much blocking. The blocking retrograded so far southwest that the trough cannot progress east at all and is just doing a fujiwara with SWs rotating around. But it has potential in that if you adjust the block north slightly it’s better. I Don’t mind seeing a too extreme solution.

Everything lol

Can’t argue. It’s pretty rough.

Definitely was a Saturday. I played in a soccer tournament that day when it was 60 degrees and that evening got 3” of snow.

Look at the 850 anomalies. The air is cold enough if we get a decent storm track. But regarding the surface anomalies there are 2 factors. First they use 1981-2010 climo to calculate and frankly our base state is warmer. Slightly below normal for RIGHT NOW is probably slightly above normal for the climo period the model is using. That’s depressing but it is what it is. The bigger factor is that we’re still suffering from the worst fall pattern ever that didn’t allow any cold to build anywhere in North America. Then blocking set in but we never got cross polar flow to inject the cold over in Asia. So we essentially blocked in the pac puke. The domestic airmass is slowly cooling but we’re still paying the price for the fact we rolled into December with the whole continent torching. There just isn’t any true cold around. Very small pockets form when an intense cyclone mixes it down then it quickly mixes with the surrounding airmass and moderates. We just need to hope that airmass is “cold enough” that with a good track we can get snow. It should be as we get into January. And if we can get an injection from cross polar flow at some point it would help going forward.

I am by no means an NWP expert. I didn’t get that deep into that before switching majors and most of what I do know is actually from my own research out of curiosity and wanting to understand some. But from my limited grasp if it is an EDM as he says then it focuses on using time series data to make causal inferences about the factors governing the observations in the time series and then use those correlations and inferred causalities to predict the future. That’s different from the typical nonlinear hydrostatic and non hydrostatic models that initialize the atmosphere then use the differential equations that govern physics to predict the future. Back to the original issue EDMs require significantly less computing power and resources. I am sure I didn’t do this justice and hopefully one of our resident NWP experts can chime in with a better explanation. @Disc @dtk @high risk

Should I remind you of this post the next time we need their cold air source for CAD?

Could be some nice convective snowshowers Xmas day as the upper low passes