psuhoffman

Gefs after day 10 really goes bonkers with the NAO block but further north in a better location and this time wants to displace a TPV lobe near Hudson Bay! That’s a nice look. Cold and stormy.

Lol and where is this heartbreaking Miller b you promised. Not seeing it on the models yet Look at 12z euro. And it’s on a lot of ensembles. Gfs this run splits the trough and what would be the miller b wave rides way north then the southern feature rides up the apps. Still not a good setup for us. That northern feature is coming across way too far north. It could change. I’m not saying it’s locked. But I wouldn’t hold my breath and get bent if it doesn’t.

What did you do man???? And can’t you go to confession and fix this?

GFS is lol. It suppressed 3 straight waves south of us then finally amplifies a storm but cuts and rain.

Read my post to Wxusaf just now.

@WxUSAF if you look the h5 going back 72 hours and through the next 160 hours the flow is perfect with vort and vort tracking just under us. But nothing is amplifying at the surface. I’m starting to think part of the problem (other then just fast flow and crowded field) is the lack of healthy baroclinicity. There just isn’t much of a thermal gradient to fuel a surface system to amplify. The airmass is all blah everywhere. Do you think that’s part of the problem?

It’s healthier then it was. But it’s going to be close getting it amplified enough to be able to lift and survive the shred factory flow. But the setup is there! There are legit options. A stronger wave could just bully its way. Preferable get some NS phasing and NOT leave a piece behind that elongates the trough like the last couple runs and you get those monster euro solutions from yesterday. @Ji yes it evolved different at the surface but it was not really different systems. Same upper level energy just one version let the initial southern wave escape then redeveloped a new surface low.

Maybe it relaxes in time but that feels like way too suppressive a flow across the northeast. In general it’s a nice setup but stepping back the ridge and trough in the east are both still centered a little south of ideal. That’s why the system keeps deamplifying as it tries to lift northeast. We either need the flow to relax or get the NS to phase and help amp it up enough to survive it.

We just had 2 consecutive good runs of the euro yesterday.

Me too

http://wow.americanwx.com/gg/ all of Gary Grey’s discussions the week of Jan 7 1996

Shocking

18z eps was less amplified with the wave compared to 12z. It’s just one run. It’s pretty far out. Don’t react to every little fluctuation run to run.

Wrt Friday...most guidance tracks the surface low over the outer banks and the upper low across southern VA. That’s a track that normally would get some snow into DC. And you can see hints at that on the moisture and RH fields. But the NS is nowhere to be found. A rotting airmass with a crap weak baroclinic zone so very little lift and no organized precip outside the convective banding under the upper low just NW of the surface low.

I think people are a little distracted.

That wasn’t a prediction. I still bet this works out to some degree. But DC is below where I would have expected right now based on the dominant pattern Dec 1 to now.

The surface low gained some latitude on the coast but the upper level low went w to e. It was snowing in parts of S VA while the low was still near New Orleans. You can get that kind of sprawling WAA snow shield when there is a true cold airmass on top and a better baroclinic zone.

Yes

He isn’t wrong that our results for having a +PNA-AO from Dec 1 on are pathetic. If the pattern does flip in Feb to a hostile one the fail will be that DC somehow failed during 2 months of a very decent to at times very good longwave pattern. No it wasn’t perfect but before people point out how this or that feature was slightly off from ideal...my retort is it shouldn’t take a freaking perfect pattern to snow. A lot of the warning events in our past were in good but slightly flawed patterns.

During a storm it’s dicey but they get the roads good pretty fast after the snow stops up here imo. Good luck!

It wasn’t really more powerful from a wave amplitude POV. The surface low was deeper and it had a huge precip shield because it had a much colder airmass to its north which meant much more baroclinicity (FUEL!) and more lift in the WAA to the northeast of the low center. But from a ground truth POV you’re correct even if this took that same track it wouldn’t produce the same result.

The miller b looks to be sparked by a vignerons NS wave that’s fueled partially by the increasing thermal gradient as the true cold finally enters the N Amer playing field. But the wavelengths look wrong for us, it’s likely to amplify too far north. Forget the damn miller crap the issue is simple that wave won’t likely have the depth to get a storm under us. But as that wave amplified the cold will come behind. What happens after depends on a lot of factors. Currently the guidance favors the cold centering to our NW in a gradient pattern. That’s actually not a bad thing provided the blocking stays strong enough to keep the boundary to our south. We don’t want frigid into the Gulf of Mexico unless your goal is to walk across a frozen Potomac.

2018

We didn't really give it much time though...the pac is just backing off now. Maybe after a week domestic cold would be enough. Or maybe not...I have been disappointed recently in what native airmasses look like absent cross polar flow.