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The better half is second grade school teacher. She's looking forward to going back. She understands that there is some risk of the staff contracting the virus. Less chance of the children becoming seriously ill. The hope is the measures put in place; distancing,masks, temp checks, open air classes when possible minimize those risks. She believes remote learning for elementary school and special ed levels is something that does not work. Her time in the spring spent via remote learning and class prep and teacher/parent/student communication even with maximum effort has left students a half year behind compared to where they would be. She knows the children that are coming in this fall will not be as prepared they normally would be. In the end, she feels the children's need to learn in as normal a classroom setting outweighs the risks that surely exist. Personal note. I commend her courage, and am proud of her.

Can you post some studies regarding these longer term effects: cases, specific medical studies discussing causes and frequency? I have seen references to this before, but it certainly not something that is discussed often when referring to this virus. Wife will be a returning "in class"teacher this fall for second graders so any info from trusted medical sources would be a great help. Thanks.

^ interesting case, though I suggest challenging the legality of wearing the masks maybe harder to argue given the conflicting information initially brought forth regarding it's ability to stop the spread even from Dr. Fauci and the CDC among others before reversing course. This confusion did not help. That said, I've been wearing a mask in closed quarters around folks since early April. I view it as a courtesy to others whether it is useful or not. There are folks out and about who have literally been paralyzed by fear. If I can help ease that a bit I'm all for it. Hard to believe the mask thing became a political football. Here is some more analysis on the case which was a great item to inject into the debate: "Those who pose a risk to the community can be required to submit to compulsory measures for the common good. The control measure itself, however, should not pose a health risk to its subject. Justice Harlan emphasized that Henning Jacobson was a “fit person” for smallpox vaccination, but he asserted that requiring a person to be immunized who would be harmed is “cruel and inhuman in the last degree.” Baseball in less than a week. So there's that.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Garden variety boomer. Won't have to water the flowers for the second day in a row,

No viewpoint on this one way or the other, just another point to add to educating ourselves on the topic: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-05-21/coronavirus-lockdowns-haven-t-proved-they-re-worth-the-havoc

^ it's the small things.

Than there is this idiot: https://youtu.be/28I5WyLp15o

is this true ?: https://nypost.com/2020/04/29/who-lauds-sweden-as-model-for-resisting-coronavirus-lockdown/

I put no trust in Newsweek, hoping this has been debunked: https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741

yup. I know.

ring of fire pattern....please?

Bowme lives!

this looks like decent news. can't vouch for the validity, but it is a New York news site: Spectrum News NY1 @NY1 · 58m Cuomo says New York will be sending 100 ventilators to Michigan and 50 to Maryland.

another socio-economic side effect: https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/tarrant-county/3-year-old-fort-worth-boy-fatally-injured-easter-morning/287-f05393af-f696-4488-9df9-b9140b4e7600

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” United States Constitution, Amendment X

^ Every loss of life is heartbreaking. My condolences also. To further clarify here is the CDC's January 31 release he is referring too:,, Secretary Azar Declares Public Health Emergency for United States for 2019 Novel Coronavirus Health and Human Services Secretary Alex M. Azar II declared a public health emergency for the entire United States to aid the nation’s healthcare community in responding to 2019 novel coronavirus. “While this virus poses a serious public health threat, the risk to the American public remains low at this time, and we are working to keep this risk low,” Secretary Azar said. “We are committed to protecting the health and safety of all Americans, and this public health emergency declaration is the latest in the series of steps the Trump Administration has taken to protect our country.” The emergency declaration gives state, tribal, and local health departments more flexibility to request that HHS authorize them to temporarily reassign state, local, and tribal personnel to respond to 2019-nCoV if their salaries normally are funded in whole or in part by Public Health Service Act programs. These personnel could assist with public health information campaigns and other response activities. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is working closely with state health departments on disease surveillance, contact tracing, and providing interim guidance for clinicians on identifying and treating coronavirus infections. HHS is working with the Department of State to assist in bringing home Americans who had been living in affected areas of mainland China. HHS divisions also are collaborating with industry to identify and move forward with development of potential diagnostics, vaccines, and therapeutics to detect, prevent, and treat 2019-nCoV infections. In declaring the public health emergency, Secretary Azar acted within his authority under the Public Health Service Act. This declaration is retroactive to January 27, 2020.

This thread has gotten a bit to dark. I'll pop back in around the 15th of April to check in on the stats.

Damn... I thought this would at least get a weenie from Alek. Back to watching Ozark.

I was referring more to the fact it's being politicized. I have no doubt there is a lot that goes into it on a professional level.

What a world. We debate how someone should be classified in death, and just point fingers as to who's to blame versus pulling together and hoping this ends sooner rather than later and with less pain and sorrow for our fellow people. We really need a lot of folks to reexamine what's important starting with turning off your local and national news media outlets, and twitter pundits and focus on friends,family, and community. Bottom line, whether it's the virus itself or the residual damage we are all in for a very tough time. Time to take stock of what's important.

Alot more discussion on the after affects and the economy today which is interesting. I saw this as a retweet on twitter, and I'll assume it is accurate which would be a positive: The @IHME_UW model vs reality for New York State, April 5. The model is less accurate than ever. 69K beds projected, 16.5K actually needed; 12,346 ICU beds projected, 4376 needed. Even better (tho not for the model), overall bed count rose less than 600 statewide - less than 4%.

I could see someone just getting out in the car and blasting The Clash or Luke Bryan just to blow off some steam ....or The Cars.....

While I can't predict the eventual fall out from this, and the debate that will rage after the fact, in my area I'm not seeing the idea that people aren't doing what's necessary. Take a look at the unemployment rate, closed businesses, sports shut down and so on.....strangely public transportation still operates. And as I said yesterday, my local grocer is pretty much vacant, and people stay well away from anyone. You'd think in a hot spot like your area this would be the same. Truth be, folks look scared shitless...

Has anybody heard how Japan is doing and what type of lock downs they have in place?