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Palms that don't need man's intervention to survive multiple MI winters. Agreed!!

whatever dude. That zoom in is ridiculous and you know it. SW MI is not the same as St. Louis and Cincinnati zone.

USDA site says NOPE:

NOPE

Honey Bees do not die off like hornets and wasps. Honey Bees can be active with the warmer temperatures into late fall but not near to the scale of summer as the long cooler nights tend to keep them in their hives. The greatest danger is Dec. - March (this depends on where you live) if we get a prolonged warmth followed by solid cold. If too many bees go out and then die there becomes an increasing chance the hive will not make it. It occasionally happens as I know several bee owners who have lost hives. One of the biggest problems is orchards or farmers that put the hive in the wide open as opposed to at least partial shading. Chances are you are seeing honey bees from hives out in the wide open.

I tend to agree like Nov./Dec. 1989 and Nov./Dec. 2000. What followed was meh!! There are times Nov. into Dec can give hints to teleconnections and such that work out OK but then other times not so much.

When I was at MTU (late 80s and early 90s), The Weather Channel had maps which the Keweenaw was not on there. I have also seen maps with MI part of Canada with some of these "Winter Forecasts" on YouTube.

Nice boomer right now

Heard this has been a problem in recent years with people letting them go in MI.

My neighbors darn Norwegian Maple (100' off the lake we live on) always hangs onto it's leaves until mid-November while my two Norwegian Maples (up the hill a bit away from the lake ~600') lose them the first week of November. Even with the low 20s last week. Same results. I am hoping this weekend we can be done.

Interesting the difference between our areas. Hasn't change over here 1980s through 2023. I would say 70s too but honestly I was under 9 and it wouldn't be sincere to say I remember those years exactly (80s the yard became my full responsibility). I would always need to do the leaves soon after Halloween in the 80s. Put them on a tarp and drag them down to the woods (now a golf course). Soon after on Thanksgiving weekend we would hand the Christmas lights. Pretty much the exact same here nowadays.

Every year I want an early hard freeze so I can be done with leaf clean up by Halloween. Yet even if I get one; every year I need to do a final leaf clean up in Mid-November. Hasn't changed my 30 years of property ownership in this area. Always done before Thanksgiving and never done before Halloween. Only thing a early hard freeze does is allow me to clean out the garden sooner.

Severe Storms in Michigan are hauling: At 944 AM EST, severe thunderstorms were located along a line extending from near Lakeview to 6 miles northeast of Sparta, moving east at 75 mph.

We can't shake these clouds and drizzle. Oh well still got all my outside chores done

Ended up with about 2" on the ground this evening. Ground is white and trees are covered. Looks like winter. Not bad considering the forecast from this morning was only 30% of snow today. Understandable too considering models mainly kept it south and west of here.

Same here!!

Interesting concept that a single day's weather event in October will control the entire winter pattern. Is it a specific location can't get snow or the entire globe? I think it may not have much impact. Flint MI got snow Halloween 2017 and then proceeded to break the season snowfall record during the 2017-2018 winter.

Looks fun

October has been average precipitation here. Only got 1/3" out of this system. 1" totals about 10 miles to my north. Not complete misses at all but most of the month the heavier total have been just to the west or north of here. I will say I am not surprised by the set ups.

Always love these 'Indian spring' days this time of year. They are the best

Hope you were able to enjoy. How did it go?

I know so many people act like November is a prime winter month around here. Yet even as a kid from the 70s I always considered any accumulating snows before Thanksgiving a bonus snow. Yes it happens but there are many years not so much before Thanksgiving. What do thing of this: What happens in November is history in December

Monkey off the back here with temps in the upper 20s to near 30 most of the night. It got to 32F just before midnight so yesterday technically was the first day here . Most areas in SE MI are below freezing except the typical UHI big hitters.

Thanks The updating the criteria totally makes sense for the lakeshore counties as they get significantly more snow. Just not following why SE MI was changed to 7". Most of MN and WI are still 6" So is the southern part of the UP. In the end I personally don't care what they classify it as I only care what actually falls