Lightning

Sun came out here about 2 hours ago. It's wonderful Best Climo

Here is the post from Duluth NWS. https://www.weather.gov/dlh/new-snowfall-criteria-for-winter-storm-warning-2023

I believe this will make conspiracy theories fly!

Duluth NWS posted about it. They gave this link. https://noaa.maps.arcgis.com/apps/instant/basic/index.html?appid=e4d92ef4da394c5c89979605689d9949

I understand the lake shore counties (LES belts). I agree that over here it makes little sense. Josh could now get three 6.9" snow events in one winter and still not get warning criteria .

Winter Storm Warning criteria has increased to 7" for MBY. Changes for most of MI.

Reviewing the past ~25 years of digital photos for this time. It's about average for this date if not slightly ahead around here. Definitely going to be a great weekend of colors

Which then the next logical question is why you are on this regional forum other than the occasional back to MI visits as most of us on here love winter weather. Trust me you don't have to answer as I already know why!!

Maybe it'll make November not feel so dreadful ... actually I like Novembers as yard work comes to an end doing one last mostly mulch leaf cut getting ready for snow cover and I get to hang the Christmas lights

Not sure why either as SE MI is mostly zone 6

I have seen it before. Funny thing is last week we had frost. Not sure why there were no advisory that morning.

Why? Looks like typical October weather here coming up.

Been interesting here as dry air has been killing everything coming across the state for the past 18 hours. Finally it is beginning to rain east of I75/US23 and of course it has shifted just north of MBY . Models are now keeping the heavier stuff just to my south tonight into tomorrow. At this point I am going to be surprise if I can even get a 1/2". Sad after several days of 1-2" QPF model runs. Oh well win some / lose some. I'll take a lose some this time and like it

November 21st, 2015. Incredible storm IMBY. Stayed around until Thanksgiving day when the warmth moved in. December version of Morch occurred with +12F departure. After this things split the Detroit area. MBY and Flint area had above average snowfall each month from January through April 2016 (i.e. only December was below average with snow). While south in the metro Detroit area, it was not so good. Overall it was an extremely warm winter (last winter was cooler). Flint recorded 80F in early November 2015.

Sonny Elliott was a riot and fun. He knew how to make weather very entertaining. Jerry Hodac was also very decent MET here. Ah the memories ... Good times!!

I was very lucky to grow up with Mal Sillars in Detroit. The best TV MET in my opinion in the 70s and 80s. Finally getting cable in the 90 I found WGN with the amazing Tom Skilling. Just Wow. Those 2 where the best TV METs.

Awesome! Great to hear you are getting the needed rains there!! Models keep dropping my QPF expectations here and now the rains won't even start until Friday night now . Okay with me as I can get a couple outside items done before the wet weekend.

I guess we can just change this section to the Lake/Ohio Valley Climate discussion since a couple posters are now flooding each thread with climate change talk.

I totally agree the Great Lakes do influence the temps in these area's. Cloud cover from the spinning low north of the GLs also had a significant impact with the temps last night. I have been in the mid-30s the past couple mornings with clear skies even with >10 MPH winds. This morning temps are low 40s with the cloud cover. It would have likely been in the low/mid 30s if it were clear out as the winds this morning are <5 MPH.

I both loved and hated that storm. I was really hoping to break the futility record only to be squashed by an extremely beautiful cake storm. I think I may even have pictures of it (finding them might be tricky ).

1982-83 was brutal. I remember hating that winter so much as a kid. The brown grass winter!! If I recall correctly a late snow (March or early April) prevented Detroit from breaking the low snowfall record. Not sure but I just remembering not to want to ever remember that winter..

The models are like watching a tennis match from center court. I really do think you will get some decent rains out of this system!!

You missed the point of my post but that's okay. Looking just at MBY then I will say I absolutely hated the warmth of Jan & Feb. I am a skier and the SE MI hills condition were horrid this past winter. I will say though at least they were mostly open as I have seen winters in which the hills around here were closed more than open. MBY did just fine as I ended up with near to slightly AA snowfall. Loved the white Christmas in which is snowed light/moderately all day. Plus many pretty cool events!! Living in SE MI I learned each winter is different from the previous. Averages are just averages with reality being all over the map. I did not realize Detroit area has had 3 well BA snowfall winters in a row. MBY is different as the last time I had what I would call a well BA snowfall winter was 16-17 winter. It might depend on your definition of well BA. As for me it would be >10" below the average.

Nope. Definitely don't live in a swamp. Quite the opposite really.