Hurricane Agnes

Looks like it all but evaporated here although there appears to be a virga band over RedSky. Temp was holding at 35 but just edged up to 36 with dp 26. Checked the MA forum and aside from the there doesn't seem like much more than virga going on down there either.

One of my sisters who lives in Upper Darby texted that she is getting some stray flakes down her way. Still not seeing anything here. Dp is definitely creeping up though and am up to 26.

The leading edge has been over me and am not seeing anything but virga too. It feels like "snow" out there though but temp is now up to 35 here, with dp still sticking to 24/25.

Had been reading about that last year. You will surely live vicariously through your son. Will be interesting to see how the rain/wind sensors perform and verify over the long haul. Something you might want to also get is a Stratus (manual) rain gauge for the heck of it to see how close the Tempest's values are with it.

LOL that is an interesting thought, although I would think something like that would show up as small blobs of green on the radar. These looked almost like those scattered pop-up thunderstorm cells that we see in summer.

I just peeped out and am not seeing anything yet, although that band to the west is not over this area either (it would probably need that lobe from the high to move further east). In any event, it's currently overcast and 34 with dp still lowish at 24.

Who is "you"? I don't come here to get into silly arguments with people about what the models are claiming. I mostly read, post obs and will add some interesting supporting info about what the weather is doing. I recently retired (almost 5 years ago) and fortunately now have more time to read through the posts here while working on my weather station (and data that I am gathering while configuring/tweaking the weewx app to have a local webpage displaying that data). I actually follow tropical systems and on occasion have posted in that subforum during some of the biggies, although recently have been tracking remnants of systems that come through this area. I think you might be mistaking the "quiet" posting without the knock-down drag out trolling, for "lack of interest". If you believe that a raucous discussion is the only type that is "acceptable" then that is your opinion but I find it distracting when trying to absorb new info on how to approach forecasting. I'm just not getting what the problem is. I know there were issues way in the past that apparently had to do with some moderators, and that caused a bunch of folks to go off and create a new site, but that has nothing to do with the people who continue to post and contribute here. In any field, there will always be "differences of opinion" and I think the lay public would be shocked that this even happens in the science fields but it most certainly does (I was a chemist so I know arguments ensue about what certain data actually "means"). Oddly enough, the way the climatology is in this area based on how the jet stream ebbs and flows, we are often right under a flow that puts this area in marginal weather territory, with occasional spikes of extremes. But it makes it inherently "different" and unique from other areas - particularly with the topography (e.g., the Piedmont vs the coastal plain), but then that also tends towards us having more "boring" weather. There was a reason many centuries ago people settled in this area and that was because of a more stable, truly "temperate" weather pattern - particularly good for agriculture. I don't have a problem with people from other subforums "popping in" - in fact during big events, they often do. And I really haven't seen any rancor when they do come in and interact/contribute as events unfold. As I posted elsewhere, if Randy and crew feel they want to further revise this site and consolidate the subforums, they are obviously going to do it regardless of what we think in some "poll", and will have their own reasons. But to continue to come here and stir a pot is just non-productive.

I someone in Jersey getting a sudden flizzard? ETA - was looking on a map and that is appearing in an area near Mt. Holly. Could be Mike fired up the snow-making machine.

Yup. I am on a Nextdoor list and people were posting that helicopters have been flying over the area overnight. That band seems to have hit a wall. WPC's current surface map sortof shows why!

I heard about the car theft with the little girl in it on KYW this morning although the location they mentioned in their report was completely bollixed - it's not "56th and Green" but the 5600 block of Greene St. (I know exactly where that is - not far from Greene and Chelten Ave). I've been watching that band get sheared apart on and off early this morning although it seems to have finally held together better now. The dp here is 24 so not sure how much of it will survive beyond producing virga but will see. Temp is marginal here at 33.

Exactly. There hasn't really been a need, even with a handful of disruptive posters who although annoying, have not risen to the level of banning (at least yet). IMHO, if Randy and crew feel it's time to revise the site further and consolidate the subforums, then they are perfectly within their right and position to do so immediately, whether we want it or not, and we just roll with whatever they decide.

Why is this brought up every year? Is there some kind of boredom going on elsewhere that coming in here to insult how things are discussed becomes a "thing"? It's just idiotic. I pay a premium yearly membership to post and upload stuff here and enjoy my hobby and banter and grabbing links to all kinds of sites that I can peruse to participate in discussions. What chaps my hide is the abject trolling that goes on in here from people who seem intent on eliminating this group... and for what reason, I have no idea. If anything, this is a place where at least the moderators don't have to continually spend all their time removing weenie and troll posts. This group encompasses the Mt. Holly CWA. NYC/SNE is not part of the Mt. Holly CWA and neither is the MA group.

Seems something like at least a 66 is pretty much unanimous across the different weather media outlets/sites as a high, and would be enough. What will be interesting to see if there is a record high min. Was digging around trying to find what that was...

I have an Ambient WS-2000 that is replacing my old beat-up WS-1001. What's nice about it aside from it giving the option to easily connect to and upload to both WU and Ambient's websites, are the multitude of sensors that the console can handle including up to 8 temp/humidity sensors, I think 2 Particulate Monitors (indoor/outdoor & indoor only), up to 8 soil moisture meters (plus probed ones), a leak detector, and my fave - a lightning detector - https://ambientweather.com/amws2000.html I actually had seen something posted on a different weather forum where a temp/humidity sensor was being used in a deep freezer and I decided to try that with one of mine. It was definitely a great idea because now I don't have to actually go down to the basement and periodically open the thing up to look at the temp on the analog one that I stuck in there to see how it cycles the temps! There is a cheaper model - the WS-2902C that can have up to 8 temp/humidity sensors - https://ambientweather.com/amws2902.html I *think* the base units are the same but the consoles are different which is reflected in the price differential. These are "all-in-one" units that do temp/humidity/wind speed/direction/solar radiation/uv index/precipitation (liquid) and the sensor that goes inside does the pressure and indoor temp. It has a passive radiation shield over the outdoor temp sensor but it seems to do the job okay (at least where I have mine sited about 7 ft up on a mast attached to a privacy fence post) without sudden temp spikes or drops with the sun movement.

They should save it for March as it seems we get more backend-of-winter stuff when people are ready for spring to come. I know that Cheltenham and Springfield Townships in Montco are usually out there brining but I didn't get out today to see...

I don't think I've ever seen the "average temperature" be considered the "normal temperature".

Not quite.

Looks like some records may be challenged/broken Saturday, including record high mins - Currently 36 with dp down to 23.

It's true! The mid-range "it's shifting north" / "it's shifting south" / "it's shifting east" / "it's shifting west" dance from run to run gets to be ridiculous. I like going by the long range "signal" and then will start my planning from there until nowcast time. The other stuff in between has become a lot of noise. Just listening to KYW this afternoon and hearing whoever it was doing the weather (may have been Brittney Shipp from NBC10) having to de-escalate the hype earlier in the week, was pretty painful. Sometimes surprises happen though and we get something that will "over-perform", so we'll have to wait and see what will actually happen tonight and tomorrow.

This is something that I have observed not just this year, but for a number of years now. The LR seem to catch on to something that is interesting and will provide a good heads-up - whether it is some system or even some major temperature shift (whether a heat signal or cold signal). Then in comes the MR and excuse my language, when all is said and done, they suck ass for verifying. So you're left with the SR that although might not match exactly what the LR picked up on, eventually better nails the extent and timing, etc. It's like the MR tries too hard to do "what ifs" and goes for some of the most extreme solutions. Got down to 32 as a low this morning and am up to 41 and partly sunny with a deck of high clouds rolling in. The dp really crashed with the front, going from the mid-50s down to the low 20s and is currently at 24 here.

Yeah that was a fast-moving sucker. Was right over top of me at 7:30 pm. Temp has finally started dropping, where I made it to 63 as a high after a 44 low. Currently 53 and falling with some light rain and 0.29" in the bucket and lots of wind whipping stuff around.

That's like what happens at the summit of Mt. Washington, NH every year. But then their tallest mountain on the big island - Mauna Loa (which is under the Warning) is like twice the height (at 13,679') of Mt. Washington (at 6,288'). Hawai'i has been in a drought so they are getting some beneficial rain elsewhere (although flooding too).

Here's something that does happen but I know would irk the snow lovers - Meanwhile I had a low of 41 and it's currently mostly sunny and 48 with dp 30.

Need to put my 57 high/42 low obs here. Can't tell the seasons anymore! Currently 56 with dp 46 and partly cloudy (can see stars through breaks in the cloud deck).

Went up to 57 here today after a low of 42. Got a couple hundredths of an inch of rain late last night this morning totaling 006" for the 2 days. I would say that the "traditional" met winter of DJF seems to have shifted to JFM, where we are getting "longer falls" but then "longer springs" on the back end, with AMJ being more "spring-like" due to more and more below-normal temps seemingly happening into June. That leaves a JAS as "summer" and OND as "fall". I guess technically the first day of winter (solstice) IS near the end of December so... Currently 56 with changeable skies (clearing to the west), with dp 46. Pretty nice out (I put the last of my outdoor decorations up).