George001

I’ll concede that it’s rare, but it can happen. Not only is there a frigid air mass preceding we also have strong North Atlantic blocking in place to lock it in. We have a frigid airmass, strong North Atlantic blocking, and a bombing low in the 960s. The Euro has it snowing well east of the low, and I read somewhere that the superstorm in March 1993 running inland. Yet Boston still got around a foot in that storm, despite being east of the low track. In my opinion if the EPS is right about the setup (big if to be fair), it will snow east of the low.

It cuts into Buffalo, but the airmass is so cold and the low is so strong it actually snows EAST of the low. That really is wild, and with a storm this powerful it’s very possible.

I love this look, most of those lows are in the 970s and 960s, with even one in the 940s! I don’t even care that most of them are huggers or run inland a bit, when the airmass is that cold and the low is that strong, I don’t see why it cant snow east of the low.

7 lows on the Euro, with a 963mb low in eastern central PA. I know it shows rain verbatim, but im not buying that with the airmass in place. It’s funny how it gives Philly 2 feet despite the low being well west, that’s how cold the airmass is. It shows how much room for error we have, if the low even goes into Western Mass instead of cutting to Buffalo, it’s very possible it would be heavy snow for all of SNE, even the coast despite the low running inland.

The Canadian has a 962mb miller B nor’easter just off the cape. Frigid airmass as well.

Yep I want a historic blizzard with feet of snow

That’s very close

A hugger might be fine with all the cold air in place

I closed the shades for my area, but I opened them up again. It sucks that tropical tidbits doesn’t have the 925 mb layer, that’s the warm layer that is expected to screw eastern areas right? The evolution of the 850mb layer temps on the 3k nam hints at a low generating it’s own cold air via dynamical cooling. Verbatim it’s not enough, so most areas east of say the Berkshires rain most of the storm. However, models often underestimate the dynamical cooling effect. If the low deepens to say 988 mb instead of 992mb and the 925 mb temps are 2-3 degrees cooler than expected, maybe areas expecting all rain in eastern mass could wake up to big snows like in March 2013. It’s a low probability, more likely it will just rain but this has big upside if things break right.

Honestly that’s not as bad as I thought. Probably not going to happen, but that’s high enough to keep an eye on.

I know it’s unlikely, but what are the odds that the dynamics become strong enough to flip eastern areas to heavy snow early enough that we see eastern extension with the 6+ line to a BOS-PVD line?

Holy shit some of those are in the 960s and one is even in the 950s

That 976 just off the cape would be nice

this threat looks a lot better than the Friday one. Verbatim the low is too inland to eastern areas, but the airmass is way colder than it will be for the Friday threat. The Friday threat probably won’t pan out for eastern areas, but it did go from a low In Wisconsin to a Miller B. Hell, the airmass is so cold for this threat, we might see decent snow totals even east of the low.

I hope this is right and we don’t have a long thaw in the middle of winter (3-4 week+). November and the first part of December were mild so we might have gotten the thaw out of the way early.

As frustrating as this pattern has been so far this is promising. The key will be getting the pacific to cooperate as well.

A lot of this subforum is still in the game, but I dipped once I saw the west to east winds on the models. Back to tracking the pattern for me unfortunately.

Ok the blizzard bumps last winter out of bad territory, but the previous 3 winters were bad and even last winter was really just a 3 week period in Jan, then shut off the next 8 weeks. Maybe my expectations are too high, but I was thinking we would get multiple blizzards this year looking at the pattern late November. Like 2010-2011 or 2014-2015.

Yeah, we need the mid Jan relaxation to disappear or be delayed to mid Feb for the epic winter that it looked like we were headed for in late November to verify. To be fair, that’s very possible and the EPS weeklies show about a 6 week favorable period. There’s going to be lulls, but the question is always when we get a favorable pattern how long will it last? Most years we do get a favorable pattern at some point (there are exceptions). How good the winter ends up being often depends on how long that favorable pattern lasts. Last year it only lasted 3 weeks (granted those 3 weeks were REALLY good), and the rest of the winter sucked. Hopefully we get 6-8 weeks of that epic pattern that showed up on the models earlier and not just 2-3 weeks.

It’s frustrating that we are still tracking a pattern and not an actual storm. We had a massive -nao and nothing to show for it, what kind of bullshit is this? The teleconnections looked great for a big snow on Friday and now it’s a strung out piece of shit. Sorry for the negativity it’s just the past few winters have been bad so it’s frustrating to see the same shit over and over again. Lows aren’t supposed to ram into a block!

For me I saw those west to east arrows and dipped, can’t have that mild ocean air blowing onshore especially this time of the year for eastern areas. Low isn’t strong enough to make up for it either, sucks. Farther inland has a better shot though.

Low is too weak for us

Yeah I know I’m getting sick of it. The 10 days away thing gets old fast.

The pacific looks great on that, massive ridge out west. The current pattern we are in isn’t working so hopefully this verifies. I’m getting sick of seeing a trough out west.

How does sacrificing the 16th up the ante for the pattern after