rcostell

Thanks for your meaningful contribution. We all can see that you have been reduced to heckling and peddling BS opinions, troll. I'll follow my own advice and ignore your posts completely in the future (like so many in the forum it seems.) Buh Bye.

Your next to last sentence and prior ones are opinons, of course. Then- read your last sentence, slowly. Talk about contradicting yourself! Case closed.

I'm referencing effects of a warming climate- not weather. I've seen melting permafrost in Northern Norway, rapidly melting (in geologic and real time) icefields in Iceland and Alberta, Canada- rapidly melting glaciers in Switzerland and the American West and unprecedented bleaching of coal reefs in the Carribean. Northward migration of invasive plants and animals intop the interior of the Adirndacks, shortening of "ice season" on our boreal lakes in the North Country of NY and salt water intrusion into coastal cedar swamps in NJ due to sea level rise. These things and may more are occurring. They are irrefutable and real and measured and progressing and accelerating= verified first hand. You can choose to believe me or not- but I've answered your inquiry. In return - I would simply ask you to acknowledge whats going on around us as real- as that debate can no longer be supported to to the visible objective evidence and effects. The data analysis is simply court reporting on a known verdict. I've offered a few objective evidence examples, in my own way, on this forum (Switzerland glacier collapse, as example)- whiich you seem to slough off- but you haven't been at site to know better. Consider that good people with good data and senses (eyes, speech, memory) are seeing what is going on. No need to push back any longer. We need some solutions. I'm kind of done in sensibly responding to you- please consider your stance- from an objectiive evidence perspective- not opinion of others. Thanks.

I do, sir. This is because I've travelled extensively around the globe and seen widepread physical objective evidence of a rapidly warming climate. You can choose to believe that or not- but my eyes and ears and logic all agree that our climate is beginning to become dangerous for us and other species. You don't have to leave Chester county to know the world is not flat...

Unfortunately, some people are too naive, stubborn, ignorant or deluded by others to recognize the preponderance of actual evidence and real world events that point to an oncoming conclusion. Just how it is- they then hear their own echo chamber or are goaded by others. For the greater good- I think these people should be politely ignored by those not so afflicted. See Isaac Cline - 1900 Galveston Hurricane.

This dataset stands on its own. You can spin it, cherry pick "micro-areas", argue about its veracity or deny it exits. But in the real physical world- this dataset is corraborated by actual events and changes that one can visit, see and touch...that only this trend can explain. Lets continue to keep a macro view, shall we?

To amplify further- coincidentally, this mutinational (10 nations, many scientists) study just released details the rapidly declining glacial trend and causal mechanisms. Effects of this trend alone will be significant to the human populace near or dependant on glaciers or the bodies of water they drain into- including the Oceans. https://www.uaf.edu/news/study-finds-alaska-rest-of-earth-to-lose-most-of-glacier-mass.php

Here's the thoughts on the causal mechanism. The Swiss live in concert with glaciers, rockfall and permafrost. I too, have seen these landscapes rapidly changing in places I've visited such as the Central and Northern Rockies, Austrian and Swiss Alps, Norwegian Alps, Dolomites and Iceland. The changes there are accelerating as one can readily see and in talking with the locals- you don't need a lot of data to understand what is going on. They are huge and macro in nature. I'd ask that Dyou do a little reading on glaciology and get familiar with this science before you readily use the words "nothing burger". Maybe in a small county in Pa. according to your rightly disputed charts- but to throw that opinion around conflicts with observed real life. I hope you can realize that. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-causes-glaciers-to-collapse-like-the-event-that-buried-a-swiss-village/#:~:text=The glacier's collapse and the,the past couple of weeks.

So what is your position on Climate change- is it "Cyclical" or "a nothing burger"? Does it change? Is the larger trend warmer? No? Is there life beyond Chester County? I just got back from Valais Canton in Switzerland. I can assure you that the people who used to live in the village of Blatten, after the glacier collapse do not think that a warming climate is a "nothing burger". ...and thats a fact.

C'mon man. "Headlines"? " Debunking"? For God's sake- Its the New York Post (of all gospel "news"sources...) paraphrasing a 22 year old. You're embarassing yourself.

...but we digress. Not the right thread for this debate. In other news: Observation in western Camden County NJ shows a continued aversion to predicted rainfall amounts. Under the trees is still dry aafter todays rain "shield" continued to wedge apart around us. Its beyond random and seems to continue proving the adage thsat "dry begets dry". Its uncanny in how many instances this year, blobs. bands or waves of rain have avoided, split apart or otherwise dissolved as this area has been approached. Its been going on for months, seemingly- and I'm betting that our deficit in this immediate area is significantly more than other areas in the D.V. Local landscapers report on dead or dying shrubs and ornamentals that are commonplace since late last summer. Seems too repeatable to be coincidence.

I 'm hoping you get confused between statistical cycles and overall trends. Like the stock market for instance. There are short term cycles up and down- but the overall actual statistics show a long term trend of upward. As it were- the overall warmth of our planet has also trended up, despite shorter term ups and downs ("cycles"). That is unequivocal, using the best data gathering tools that mankind has produced- and cannot be denied, unfortunately. I wish it were not so... Just being realistic- looking at objective evidence. No arm waving, or card carrying. I've been around the world- and seen the evidence that supports the long term trend- which is becoming evident to impartial data gathering mechanisms. The challange is how do we monitize solutions that buffer us from impending negative possibilities?

You'd better hope so. Here's some real data about our current "cycle". https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/ice-sheets/?intent=121 Read it and weep.

I only drop into this forum to read and learn a bit about others data and opinions on Climate Change. I know I've asked before (and folks have migrated over there at the time of asking..) - and don't mean to be "crank"...but could you two or three folks engaged in the running "Chester County data bickering" PLEASE remember that a thread was created for that purpose- and take the tit-for-tat dicsussion and parsing over there. The squabbling of that subject, in this forum is in the wrong place again. I'm hoping for continuity to keep the thread interesting as a read and with some modicum of alignment with its title. Obliged.

Yet another Chester County bicker session in the wrong thread. Seems futile to object?