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First storm stays SE and east coast gets a pretty solid snowstorm. Moves out quick which allows heights to rise in the middle of the country for the next system to go NW. The euro intensifies the second system but it moves ENE instead of shooting nw of chicago, which you usually see with a strenghtneing low below 980 in missouri. Perhaps blocking?

What a wild rollercoaster it has been. I remember some winters in the past 10 where it seemed to snow almost everyday in the winter. It seems when we get into a certain pattern, it's hard to break it, even more-so when were in a warm pattern in the winter like we currently are. Luckily when we get arctic blasts <15 degrees as highs, they don't usually last longer than a week. It would be nice to have a snowy December for once as it sets the tone for the winter. It sucks having to wait this long for decent snow lol.

In other words, alek appreciates and thanks you for taking the time to post your analysis ohweather. I echo his sentiments.

Apologies if someone else has asked you this recently, but is this the first Christmas you wont have full snow cover?

Mid 50s Christmas day, while we didn't get outta the teens last Christmas. It was only in the 30s today but with the sun out it felt alot warmer. Definitly feels weird.

Yea im still a weenie at heart and will hop on a plane from Florida to Detroit for a snow event. Hate the cold, but love snowstorms lol.

As long as it's not a snow noreaster for I95 cities..

As long as it's not a noreaster for I95 cities...

Yea, it seems El Nino is definitly flexing its muscles, as it's been stormy down there this month. The last few winters it seemed like it would rain once a month down there, especially la nina winters. It's too bad when we get favorable la ninas, it seems the tele's wreak havoc and mess up a potentially good/snowy winter. I dont know much about them but id guess they are not affecting el nino or its tendencies so far this nov/dec.

It's interesting that it's gonna be avg or slightly below avg temp wise down in sw Florida. Having lived there the past 4 winters, it's been normal for temps to be in the 80s for weeks in djf. It's just odd to see temps above avg in metro detroit, in mid/upper 40s, while at the same time it's barely cracking 70 down in south florida.

I wonder if we'll see any snowmaps in our region this winter that look like western maine/into canada the next 48 hours...

I guess I shouldn't be surprised to see some cloud to ground lightning in my backyard before snow in December in a El Nino winter. Storms developed right overhead...

Instead of upper midwest, I should've said further east into Wisconsin and u.p. where models for a few days were showing decent snows there, now just rain lol. But yea atleast someone is seeing snow. If it ain't gonna snow, I'll take days like today in the 50s. Sun felt great.

What makes it even worse/funnier is that it doesn't even look like the leading wave is gonna produce any snow for the upper midwest either as even thats turned into a strung out mess. Usually for us in Chicago/detroit, minneapolis and upper midwest gotta get their snow first as they see the colder temps earlier.

Potential secondaries and low pressures riding along the front are always tough to forecast. Gets wrapped up a lil too late for anything significant for most of us.

I think the clipper/system out ahead of it is key. The slower that is to move along, the more east the main show will be.

Considering we got almost a foot of snow in less than 12 hrs in mid November not too long ago, but I need to respect that nickle and diming gets some excited. I just hope we can get a decent snow in early December. It seems more often than not, December is boring. These last 3 days of foggy cold rain makes me question why anyone would live here this time of year lol.

josh's criteria for heavy is different than ours....

Gfs looking kinda clipperish in the long range...

I guess it makes me feel a little better to see a rain storm fizzle as it heads NE, as it occurs often in the winter. The radar this morning looked Impressive in NE Indiana and by the time it got up to metro detroit, it was just light showers.

A few euro runs in a row of decent snow potential this weekend for Michigan....

Doing what we do best on the east side, light sloppy mix.

Starting a sentence with from the new England forum is like using wikipedia as a source/reference for a research paper.

Third straight day of full sun, not a cloud in sight, and almost 60 every day too. Every year I try to remember the latest I was able to still golf, I think nov 28 a few years ago. Maybe/hopefully we can break through that this year. I definitely don't take days like these for granted, considering it seems like it's been full clouds for the last few weeks.

I'm glad i wasn't alive for the 72 season and witnessed bay city get 2 feet while myself 80 or so miles to the SE got slop lol.