Sundog

I think acid rain and ozone were a lot easier to collaborate on and solve. Those also caused direct visible damage as well as a clear threat. They also weren't issues that if solved would severely damage countries' economies and standards of living. There are 300 million people in India that defecate outdoors. Their poor standard of living is one reason their carbon footprint is half the global average. I also don't like excusing or allowing other countries to continue to pollute with impunity as if modern forms of energy production aren't available to them. Why couldn't China just build more solar farms or wind mills instead of installing 100 GW of coal powered energy over the last ten years? That's roughly 250 coal powered power plants. Meanwhile the West has built none in 25 years and more are being decommissioned every year We can't solve this problem when 90% of it has nothing to do with us. I feel like people aren't seriously interested in solving this issue when focusing only on the US and speaking in uniliteral terms as if we are the ones that, if we just went carbon neutral, we'd stop climate change. There's no carrot to get other countries to stop greenhouse gas emissions. We need a stick. And if the stick doesn't work, we need geoengineering. And the easiest and most cost effective way to do it is with aerosols. I fear that we'll all be right here, a bunch of old men saying the exact same thing 30 years from now, with nothing being done because people are holding out hope that by some miracle we will get everyone around the world to become carbon neutral. Meanwhile we lost 30 years of aerosol injections to at least get temps back down to reasonable levels while we try to solve this thing. Even if we did go carbon neutral in 30 years let's say, the greenhouse gases are all still in the air. Aerosols are a way to stop the warming and even reverse it while the world transitions over to clean energy and solves the problem of carbon sequestering at scale.

Maybe it will be wrong

That's because the the site is crap now and the dewpoints are now consistently too high

That solution might be more permanent than you'd like lol

Don I'm interested only in solutions that have a possibility of working. The USA going carbon neutral TOMORROW won't solve this problem. The USA can geoengineer the solution on its own. Why do we need their permission? Does China ask us for permission to pollute the atmosphere? Did they ask permission to build roughly 250 coal plants over the last 10 years? Who's to say the aerosols caused the monsoon to fail? Why can't it be greenhouse gas induced climate change that did it? Nothing will get solved as long as 90% of the problem lies outside the USA's borders. If they can pollute the atmosphere freely, then we can inject aerosols into it if we want to as well.

I'll take the smoke

Nothing will get fixed if people still act like this is a USA problem. Just like you won't solve your budget woes by cancelling Netflix while keeping the 800 dollar a month car lease.

Small victory yes I'll agree

That would be nice lol

A rare win (and it barely qualified) in an otherwise dud of a year

You pretend you care about climate change by secretly you love that shit

And of course us on the coast didn't even get the below normal, we just finished normal :/

Btw when it was in the 90s in October 2019 it felt hot as balls despite lower sun angle lol

Forget the 80s, that's not what makes September a nice month. 70s for highs and lower dews is what makes a nice September. Extended summer is just more 70 degree dewpoints and crap weather as far as I'm concerned.

Exactly! Why would you want extended summer then?

It's not like the first half of regular fall is cold. Why wouldn't you want 70s for highs and lower dews compared to the crap we usually get now in summer?

It's 89 degrees here but because the dewpoint is in the 50s it feels perfectly fine outside.

The wind held off in Queens until that line of storms rotated through with the circulation toward the end of the event. Our strongest winds came with sunshine ironically, but they were really strong, the airports gusted to 70mph.

I don't think anyone is setting fires on purpose in the middle of nowhere of central Canada. There are definitely fires set on purpose or through negligence obviously, I just don't think this is the case. Isn't it just lightning igniting the fires?

Bro this cannot be fixed by forest management. The forest doesn't need managing in the middle of nowhere. What did forests do before people showed up? The only managing that should be done is near homes and power lines.

What's your long term average low there? 60?

There's no managing the vast wilderness that are the Canadian boreal forests. They are not only massive but basically depopulated of people.

I don't think you didn't notice, I don't think it was happening.

Yes. I only remember talking about wildfire smoke one time in my life before the last couple of years, and that was summer 2002 with the fires in Quebec.

I stopped dropping around 61 degrees :/ Still I'll take it