LibertyBell

yes and the president of Brazil letting the Amazon burn for more farmland.

people still have a sour taste after March 2001. like people still have a sour taste after Jan 2015, even though the season was excellent after that (and much better than 2000-01).

Don, it's not about phasing out civilization but living in a much more sustainable way. I look at the native americans and how they lived much more in sync with the environment and did not drive other species to extinction the way the white man did. They were far more civilized. An example is all the toxic chemicals being used on our farms that are now polluting the waters of the GOM and our oceans and killing off sea life by depleting oxygen levels.

actually population collapse would be a good thing and I too believe that will happen in the future. I dont mean that in a cataclysmic sort of way, but more in the sense that fertility rates will drop (they are dropping already.) The earth's human population needs to stabilize around 1 billion, not tens of billions. That's for the health of humanity as well as the rest of our environment.

you need an effective world government that usurps the authorities of ignorant leaders like the "president" of Brazil. Economic sanctions can be used as a way to make them be more sustainable.

Population "stability" isn't enough, the earth is already overpopulated with humans. They're destroying essential tropical rain forests, polluting and crapping on the environment and driving the mass extinctions of other species. Add to that bad land usage with chemical fertilizers and pesticides and animal farming and you have a crisis on your hands. As John Kerry and Arnold said, climate change isn't a strong enough argument to convince most people- they dont care what's going on in the Arctic and dont care about sea level rises unless they live near a coastline. You need to use the pollution argument- look at how polluted the air in Delhi, India is (as an example.) There is a strong pollution argument to be made for why to stop using fossil fuels.

you think thats bad, imagine being a kid on Long Island during the mid 80s-to early 90s!

at some point humanity will need to attempt climate regulation. There is no way around it. In every other science (except for astronomy of course, since we cant reach the stars yet), we are more than just observers, we are experimenters. Climatology is no different.

what happened to the climate shifts thread?

Well it's their funeral. Whatever happens it's what humanity deserves. I feel bad for the younger generation, but until the older people die off, this wont be solved.

summer temps got less accurate after the asos was put in lol and wind too

Yes thats what put it 3rd on my list, I have Jan 2016, Feb 2003 and Jan 1996 in that order. The second day of the storm was a bit of a disappointment.

the winds must have been amazing! higher LE directly correlates to the difficulty in shoveling it lol

I always forget that March 1914 storm, wasn't that a triple phaser? And of course, Dec 1947 belongs on this list. Wow we had another big LE wintry storm almost exactly a year after Feb 1920.

Yes! I like to put the 3" LE all frozen storms in a category of their own. The only one I had like that which was all snow was Jan 2016. Looks like you had even more with Feb 2013. The highest snowfall totals I read about were around 40"! Feb 1961 and perhaps the snowicane in Feb 2010 belong in that list too. Two ancient storms that probably also belong on that list are the blizzard of Mar 1888 and Feb 1920.

Wow, some things dont change, remember when the LIE was closed for miles after the February blizzard in 2013? Would you say the impact of Feb 1978 was similar to that?

I think so! I remember seeing it in a scientific equipment catalog years ago.

where did you get accurate analog stuff? none of mine seemed to work right until I went all digital.

Feb 1983 was the prototype for Jan 1996, PD2 and Jan 2016. The odd storm out was Jan 1996, which happened in an la nina, the others were all el nino.

oh that reminds me, what about 1966-67?

the barometer with a pointer and dial, sort of like the things you measured blood pressure with before the digital stuff came out lol. It responded far too slowly to air pressure changes and I ended up breaking it because I put it outside when that wasn't even necessary lol. My digital barometer measures outside air pressure just fine from inside my bedroom!

I didn't even have an accurate thermometer until I got my first digital one from Radio Shack back in 1995. It was far more accurate than any of the liquid ones. All those "scientific" ones with the red liquid (alcohol!) were not accurate. I used to think they used mercury but they didn't. And they were extremely slow in responding to radiational cooling or any rapid temp drop. And those aneroid barometers dont work either- what a rip off! I didn't have any accurate weather equipment until I went all digital, which wasn't until 2005.

Just imagine it, back in those days we were begging for scraps because the weather only came on for a few minutes every day. I used to wait for AM Weather on PBS, 15 min every morning! And Joe Cioffi on WOR radio! Could you imagine if we didn't have the internet during this snowy era? It's good that it waited until now. Even 93-94 and 95-96 could have been a lot better if we had discussion boards like these back then! I got weather radio just in time for the 95-96 winter :-)

Jer, was all 7.1 of that from the last storm at Logan?

I think he meant that Dec 2010 (Boxing Day Blizzard) was the one that snuck up on us.